10,000 Newbies?

Week by week, for almost eight years now, I’ve been publishing regular summaries of Hive principles, events, or just Hive-related thoughts in Czech for my local community. It’s a niche Slavic language, yet I keep noticing people translate these, read and comment on them. Here’s a post of that kind, perhaps a tad longer, inspired by our recent talks with @honeydue, @ph1102, and the regulars of his show, @incublus, @borniet, among many others—that list would be quite extensive. On retention, the KE ratio, communities, curation, or even Hive’s fairness—ticklish topics indeed. Discussion is more than welcome.

Of Newbies and Us

Imagine 10,000 brand-new real, active users eager to start their Hive journey, publishing their intro, and then posting 1-7 times a week for three months. Commenting. They’re just random folks we usually entrap in our sticky bit of that wide web:

Several muse-kissed wonderkids seeking soulmates outside the empty spaces that they are living in; photographers who lost the stock photo war to machines; a new generation of crypto-bros shilling their pet memecoins, slinging referral links, and hyping play-to-earn games so mind-numbingly dull, no one would touch them without that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; crowds from the less-fortunate countries, where an extra dollar is a blessing; dozens lured through all these “here’s your two bucks, go and spend the money over there to earn some extra coins” initiatives; a bunch of sporty Actifitters or travelers; a handful of flat-earthers from all over the globe; and even random inquiring passers-by like I once was. Add a few scammers who are always willing to exploit the system, a manic preacher or two, blindfolded activists, a doomsday cultist, several meatheads, hippies and junkies. The usual cocktail. Shaken, not stirred.

Those ten thousand people would easily outnumber us, the OGs. Would they get the appropriate share of the rewards?

Not quite. The cream of the crop would soon establish themselves. Those who have something to say, can reach the right people at the right time, treat Lady Fortuna to a drink occasionally, and don’t desperately need to earn their living here, so they won’t get under pressure when things go farther south than expected. You, who actually read this post and not just browse it, fit this mold too. Don’t you?

A vast majority of these newbies would not really last these three months, losing their high hopes after publishing ten, twenty, or even fifty posts that earn only a dime. Many would just start comment farming, as it often generates more profit with less effort provided you know whom to comment on.

Nevertheless, OG rewards will likely remain at roughly the same level. Most of us rely on community support from people we’ve met. On-chain, in person, on Discord... Hive’s a social network, isn’t it? Besides, betting on curation initiatives is not really a long-term strategy, although we do get more than our fair share of these upvotes. We would hardly lose our current support to thousands of newbies (and let’s be honest here, many of these votes are automated), and they can hardly gain enough attention that fast, especially in such a tsunami of newcomers. Curation trails would diversify more, spreading more votes perhaps, limiting how often one can be upvoted. Yet again, most of the OGs don’t really publish daily, and we won’t mind much being curated just biweekly.

Growing Communities

The most tenacious unsuccessful newbies would explore all the typical dead ends—letting AI generate their post instead of sharing personal experience; using sketches or photos that might not actually be theirs; sipping that yummy instant coffee in Cinnamon Cup Coffee; praising industrial brews, or even random alcoholic beverages on Beersaturday… All that in machine-translated English. MT seems to work quite well for Spanish but often fails badly with other languages. Still, people use it because they’re forced to, just to get curated. Hoping for a Deus ex machina. That ten-buck upvote.

Hive, however, should be way more fragmented. Less of that Deux. With communities taking care of themselves—moderating, curating and policing their members. Language-based, country-based, region-based, topic-based, you name it. The existing curating initiatives do not empower this fragmentation, or decentralization if you will, enough. Can you get curated when you write exclusively in Bengali, Yoruba, Igbo, Cebuano, Japanese, Dutch, or perhaps Czech? Incidentally, a Czech-only post is eligible for Curangel curation thanks to two local curators, but does this fairly apply to the other languages too?

What’s the advantage of machine-translated text, sometimes even used as the exclusive language of a post? It hardly pleases the reader but makes a post eligible for such curation. Sad, yet true. Art for the sake of art? Where’s the human touch then?

Let’s build communities instead, incubate and nurture them. Community-based curation projects and initiatives. Let’s empower local languages, stand up for topics we relate to. Let’s read, engage, comment, speak our mind, dare to voice our opinions, and embrace our languages—any language we can actually speak. Then we can realize how much the KE ratio matters—not for being bullied for not having enough HP, but for recognizing that Hive Power is called power for a reason, as I keep saying. Our Hive Power represents our share of the platform. We reward the best content in our eyes, and perhaps our friends—we all do that, let’s face it. And can be rewarded by the others. By the community.

Grow for yourself and grow (for) your communities—you’d likely engage in more than one of them.

Such communities can accommodate thousands of newcomers, reward them fairer, hook them up, keep them engaged. Ensure retention, that’s the fancy word for that. Lead their first steps in this realm. Bridge Hive to the successful social media—Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok and others are in all languages, including dead or fictional ones. Could a post in Sindarin— a Tolkien-invented Elvish language, or Klingon get curated here without being translated into English? Why not, if there’s enough people who have mastered them enough to have fun with them?

Yes, in My Backyard!

The nature of Hive allows us to be citizens of multiple communities at once, often ones that seem completely unrelated. A crypto trader, poet, vegan and crochet fiend at once? Perfectly fine here, join the suitable communities, or create them. Nurture them, engage with like-minded people, and grow together.

Kudos to all community founders, moderators, curators, and everyone who volunteers to make Hive a tad better of a place! We need more people like you, folks!

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It's pretty crazy how small the communities are on HIVE compared to similar communities on mainstream social media sites. Hopefully that will change one day.

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Well, it's not gonna change itself for sure :)

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Wow congrats @hive 👏🏻 more people are join and engage and support this kind of community, because there are a lot of people are very grateful, happy 8 yrs now are very progressive, congrats all

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I guess you haven't really read the post, have you? :)

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Scaling up would address a few issues that Hive has. We get the same people on trending all the time, but that will not easily change thanks to automated votes. I agree that communities could be key. People want to find others with the same interests and they currently go to other platforms for that. We need to tempt them over here, but I really don't know how. We can each try to discuss the options with friends.

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Well, we could all do our part to diversify Hive as much as possible. The success of FB, Instagram and others is driven by their openness to diversity; anybody can have a voice there. We could—and should—reproduce that here by not merely tolerating but, better yet, actively supporting new communities, so they can eventually establish themselves. That includes supporting non-English content.

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That includes supporting non-English content.

This is vital. People should not have to write in another language if they have a community with their own. Hive should be for everyone.

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Precisely. And anyone can machine translate any content with the tool they prefer. AI-driven MT, Google Translate, Deepl... Whatever works for you.

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We've got translation built into the Hive dapps, so language is not a barrier.

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Que linda Utopía describiste. Perdona que responda en español, pero ya que hablabas de fortalecer el uso de nuestros propios idiomas, lo hago, esperando que la herramienta de traducción haga un buen trabajo.

Creo que el principal problema de Hive, es que las personas que llegaron a obtener el beneplácito de las grandes ballenas recibiendo votos frecuentes, ya no necesitan de traer o de que ingresen nuevos actores a Hive. Tienen esa mentalidad de que mientras más invitados haya a la fiesta, les tocará un trozo de pastel cada vez más pequeño.

Sin la existencia de las grandes ballenas, creo que allí los usuarios querrían y necesitarían de nuevos jugadores, para tener comunidades más grandes y activas, y así la suma de esas pocas fichas resultaría en una recompensa mayor, que cuando hay pocos jugadores con pocas fichas.

Pero las cosas son como son, y algunos dueños de comunidades incluso intentan perjudicar a usuarios por reglas que jamás escribieron porque les caen mal. Esa es la realidad que observo, tal vez tuve mala suerte, pero siento que en lugar de tolerancia, hay represión. Y sé que hay estafadores y redes organizadas para obtener recompensas de forma organizada y circular.

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Oye, yo también hablo un poquitito de Español :) Y creo que podría ser más comunidades exclusivamente hispanoablantes. Para que la gente se sienta más responsable de los payout que hay en estas comunidades. Funciona en la comunidad Checa!

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Que genial! La esposa de mi ex jefe es checa, un encanto de mujer, y gracias a esa unión llegó la cerveza Praga a mi país.

Créeme que entiendo tu punto, pero desafortunadamente salvo los españoles, el resto de hispanohablantes carecemos de capacidad de invertir, como para llegar a tener HP que valga la pena para poder ser autónomos.

Por eso todos traducen al inglés, esperando votos de @blocktrades @curangel @ocd o de @theycallmedan.

La verdad es que para muchos hispanohablantes, Hive es su fuente de recursos para llevar una vida un poco más llevadera, por lo que no pueden hacer stake de sus recompensas, salvo casos de personas que prefieren resultados a largo plazo.

Gracias por aprender mi idioma! Lo hablas bastante bien 😃

!INDEED
!ZOMBIE
!HUG

Ps: por algo nunca me vota @obc jaja

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Oh, man... What a fantastic post with so many great points important for everyone! Not just newbies, but also OGs... I really can't add too much to what you said, but I do have many ideas for some future posts from this one! It moved my gray cells (not too many left, more grey hair tbh 😃) and I got fired up about HIVE, as I got into darker places recently! Yes, being absent lately, does that...

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I'm glad you liked the post, feel free to be inspired :))

And thanks for the curation :))

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Your suggestions make a lot of sense, man. I'm also trying to reward Turkish users living on Hive. I communicate with them as much as possible and try to help them when they have problems. But the problem is that not every community is a real community. For example, after I joined, the Turkish community never exceeded 20 people at its peak. I'm talking about active members. In this situation, it's very difficult to find help for the community. Currently, the number of active Turkish users on Hive is as few as the fingers on one hand. How can I grow the Turkish community account? Still, there are some very successful communities in this regard. Countries like Venezuela and Cuba have been able to build their own community accounts with the help of the @aliento community and @theycallmedan and @eddiespino.

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I know you've been doing that since you started your Hive journey :)) We just need more people like you :)

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The elephant in the room is rewards. People gravitate to the communities that get you whale votes.
Hive really is great, not only can you be social and meet fun people, you can benefit financially from it. I have been on things partly like Hive for two decades. However, for the vast majority of people Hive is not going to work for them.
We are not a fb or an insta, an X,a medium or even a tiktok.
I really don't know what the answer is.

But you nail it with nurturing communities. I try with Silver Bloggers. I try to focus on a few communities and help where I can, participate and engage with everyone.

So many people come for the rewards as this was how it was promoted/sold to them...
Funnily enough with my @mmonline account I am drafting a don't give up on your hive blog post, as it can be infuriating for newbies who don't get picked up with OCD lovesniper upvotes etc.

I also see your welcome on so many newcomers intro posts which is cool.
At this point I have no idea what my point was when I was reading your post. A hard morning at the physio has raddled my old brain🤣

Great post, and if I win the lottery tonight I know what I would do to help newcomers🤣

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There'res not enough whale votes for 10,000 newbies (or there are, but then they wouldn't be whale votes). And that's the point - let's not bet on whale votes, let's build communities that can curate themselves with resources they have as a community. That's sustainable in the long term, and empowers your responsibility for your communities. Some of us pillory "leechers" with high KE; but if you needed to grow (in a reasonable pace, and with all due respect to your IRL needs) your community and its combined HP, there would be place for leeching.

Plus, more languages, more topics, less "universal" policies. More freedom and responsibility, and perhaps way lower chance to win the jackpot and get upvoted by a whale - but yet again, if there's way more users, whale votes will hardly ever occur.

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I get where you are coming from, but you then are discouraged from building community accounts because someone in theory could just take that HP for themselves.

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You don't have to build a community account; and you don't even need to delegate HP (not the smartest thing to do with less than 20k HP anyway) - just participate in your community and curate, or follow the community trail.

Since most of us engage in multiple communities, that's the best approach anyway. Keeping your HP for yourself, and rewarding content you personally find valuable. I'm not an anime fan, so I'm not really curating, commenting, supporting, of detracting people there. Don't complain about their low/high payouts either - I leave that to anime lovers.

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10k newbies wow this has given me the motivation to continue sharing with others who don't know about hive yet.

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i am always talking about it, but to say it again :D photography community (when there were not even communities) was the reason why i didn't leave back in the day. And those were the end of the happy days going into the bear market.
Rewards are ok, but the more important is to find other people who are interested in the same things you are. Not sure how many good/quality communities are out there at the moment.

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