How fiat money is creating cycles. People are overspending like hell and then go bust.

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So verursacht und verstärkt schuldenbasiertes Geld, Fiat-Money Finanzzyklen. Leute verschulden sich irre und gehen dann pleite.

Fiat Money, Kreditkarten, Leasing, Wohnkredite ermöglichen es, dass Leute ihre Investitionen aus der Zukunft vorziehen und schon jetzt konsumieren. Zum Beispiel bereits ein teures Haus oder ein Auto kaufen können, das sie sich eigentlich gar nicht wirklich leisten können.

Wenn das viele Menschen, Unternehmen und auch der Staat gleichzeitig machen, entstehen auf diese Art Finanzzyklen. Boom and Boost.

Zuerst wächst die Wirtschaft enorm schnell, da extrem viel investiert, gebaut und konsumiert wird. Schulden, Geldmenge und Inflation wachsen. Irgendwann spielen die (Zentral-)Banken aber nicht mehr mit und pochen darauf, dass die Kredite zurückgezahlt werden. In der Zeit, wo gespart werden muss, um Kredite zurückzuzahlen oder Firmen oder sogar Staaten pleite gehen, wird wiederum weniger in die Realwirtschaft investiert und es entsteht eine Wirtschaftskrise.

Alles by Design.

Was sagt ihr dazu? Habt ihr aktuell Kredite, die ihr abbezahlen müsst? Denkt ihr wären diese Zyklen mit einem zinsfreien Geldsystem wie Bitcoin oder Gold weniger ausgeprägt oder würden die Leute nach Workarounds suchen, um trotzdem viel Geld ausgeben zu können? Im großen Stil wäre es dann aber nicht mehr so einfach.

Bitcoin trader criticizing debt-based money and people falling for it

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https://x.com/TylerDurden/status/1965067615141015719

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Debt-based money, fiat money, causes and reinforces financial cycles. People get themselves into crazy amounts of debt and then go bust.

Fiat money, credit cards, leasing, and home loans enable people to bring forward their investments from the future and consume now. For example, they can buy an expensive house or car that they cannot really afford.

When many people, companies, and even the government do this at the same time, financial cycles are created. Boom and bust.

First, the economy grows rapidly as there is a lot of investment, construction, and consumption happening. Debt, money supply, and inflation grow. At some point, however, the (central) banks stop playing along and insist that the loans be repaid. In times when savings are needed to repay loans or companies or even countries go bankrupt, less is invested in the real economy and an economic crisis ensues.

All by design.

What do you think? Do you currently have loans that you need to pay off? Do you think these cycles would be less pronounced with an interest-free monetary system such as Bitcoin or gold, or would people look for workarounds so they could still spend a lot of money? On a large scale, however, it would no longer be so easy.



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Fundamentally, I think people should learn to live within their means and not get carried away by consumerism culture/playing the status game. Such kind of debts create future problems that become harder to solve when it was totally preventable in the present.

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Das hat würde ich mal sagen nichts mit Fiat zu tun. Das wirst du immer haben, egal ob Gold, Bitcoin oder sonst was.

Ist dann nur die Frage wer dann vielleicht die Zinsen einstreicht.

Hier haben wir doch auch wo die Möglichkeit Hivepower zu leihen.

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A life at debt, that's what they plan to do with normal people, buy buy buy on load, always live to pay debits

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The system in of itself is set up to keep people chasing debt forever. Even if you swap fiat for Bitcoin or gold, human nature will probably find a way to recreate the same cycles, I'm wondering if we get to a utopian future where there's abundance, and we eliminate the concept of money, they'll probably still find a way to make the next thing a similar cycle

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Debt can make people life worst if not managed properly
!BBH

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Makes sense. I do have some debt, but my assets are much higher. I am fortunate that way, it wasn't always so.

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I am blessed to be debt free and also unconcerned with status tokens ... but I was reading today and realized the boom and bust foolishness we are dealing with is indeed as old as at least 1637. I do not think using Bitcoin and gold would help, as long as people are programmed to believe their status depends on who they can impress with what they possess. It would be much harder, but many would still find a way because the belief system would drive them.

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It's just how the cycle is with all the credit. I just think that credit and loans has changed quite a bit. It just seems like a huge cycle of large borrowing, then people going bankrupt. I don't think that would change even if we moved to BTC though.

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