Lion’s Den – July 19, 2024 [Full Episode w/ Subtitles & Transcript]

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Today is July the 19th, 2024, and this is another episode of The Lion's Den.

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We are now live.

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We will wait a couple minutes to let people get in the room.

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The Lion's Den

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The Lion's Den

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The Lion's Den

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get the show on the road like usual we have some people filtering a little late

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they must think that Khal is putting this one on including Khal himself is not here

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but we know how his watch works at least today he could blame it on the global

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technology outage that took place across the world we have a guest on with us

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today many of you know him from being on the lines dead over the last six

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months or so he's been on a couple times here and there he's often in the

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Threadcast listening when he's not one of the participants on on air you also

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see him all over thread since most every day he's on threads for at least a while

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engaging interacting sharing his thoughts his opinions which if you

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haven't noticed he is not shy about letting you know where he stands which

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is highly respected in my opinion but before we get to his thoughts on the day

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and it's going to center around his projects which is involved with gaming

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which is got involved with play to own it's involved with NFTs so we will cover

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that and of course there's a whole

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array of web 3 gaming if you will that has been out there for a while and has

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raised a lot of questions so we'll dig into that will dive into that if you

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have any questions any comments anything of that nature for myself or simple game

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be sure to throw it in the Threadcast we do have a Threadcast going if you are

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looking at the main page on Leo

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it is there's two icons of mine up there it is the one on the left that is

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the Threadcast for the line stand the one on the right is the Threadcast for

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the daily technology Threadcast so how to use two different accounts so if you

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have anything you want to add throw it in the Threadcast like every Threadcast

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associated with Leo we look at this to build engagement to

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have some interaction to field your questions to field your comments and

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it's a great adjunct to a broadcast which in this instance is a space in

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addition to the daily Threadcast that you see posted at the top of the and Leo

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dot IO interface and very happy to state that it seems that

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the daily Threadcast are going strong we have a lot of people who are posting

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their daily Threadcast and some engagement in them which is very good

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and if you read which I only had the ability to read a portion of cows most

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recent post which is the five-year vision in fact I will grab and drop it

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in the Threadcast for everyone so you can

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read it

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little later in the day if you want but one of the things as I just scroll down

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the first scroll through and premium says things you premium offers now in

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threads so we know that not live or if it is I don't know where it is but we

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were told that's coming so evidently that is being constructed so that will

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help

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Threadcast a great deal so anyway

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I'm not going to turn this into task goes on for 90 minute session we have

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that every week so simple game wanted to come on this week and talk about web 3

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gaming one of the triggers is as most of you are probably aware by now

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splinterlands has filed a DHF to get money from the DHF to fund their

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operations they have thus threatened and I guess there is no really other way

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to summarize it but they have threatened that if they do not get it they will be

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moving I believe it is took base and simple game you can correct me if I'm

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wrong which I imagine they're probably throw the money that's what these

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networks seem to do so let's get a little different take on gaming and

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we'll bring on simple game

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game and he can kind of direct the show and let us know what he wants to to discuss yeah thanks

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for that intro task um yeah my big thing today is the splinterlands dhf um I 100 agree with you

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I mean the way I'm looking at that proposal is it's a straight-up threat um and it just kind of

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got my blood boiling quite a bit um so yeah uh real quick though before we get to that um just

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because I'm gonna say some things about it and a lot of people are gonna get really fired up um

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I have a take on it that's not gonna be popular um so just touch base a little credibility on

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what we're building um and a couple first-time announcements here that you're gonna be saying

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seeing posts about um crypto shots which is one of my favorite Hive games and gets no love and

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respect as far as I'm concerned has joined the Darkcloaks ecosystem um

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so uh you're gonna see their collection coming out on there um they're joining it's it's gonna be

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amazing um also a little announcement that you're gonna see posted I think in a few hours

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um the project by they call me dan ragnarok um that has been

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pretty much dead for a while I mean dan's been working on stuff um crystal spider games that's

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my game studio we are taking over ragnarok development um we're going to develop the game

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um and that's another thing that's got me a little bit upset right now um ragnarok will not be joining

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the Darkcloaks ecosystem and I will get into that um with the dhf proposal because all of this

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ties into the egos on this blockchain the reason why we've stalled out with development

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why splinterlands and I'm going to say this flat out loud right now is bankrupt as far as I'm concerned

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I don't care what they say if you read their proposals that's what they're hinting at um

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yeah so uh ragnarok we're gonna build that game we're gonna make it work it's not joining our

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ecosystem because disregard fiat who has a proposal on the dhf so we're probably gonna

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cover like three dhf proposals here um for his honeycomb system has decided that

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the dark cloak system is not decentralized which is a complete and other other joke

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um everything is layer one native on Hive um it's just weird like even having conversations with

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them he won't have conversations with you he'll just ghost you and leave rooms um which is odd

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um but I'm not gonna worry about that we're gonna make ragnarok a successful playable game

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and then we'll worry about the uh tokenomics and NFTs and all that stuff later dan can figure that

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out because you guys all know my stance on layer two tokens and games they shouldn't exist um on that

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note that's splinterlands issue um so splinterlands to me has provided no value to the chain

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ever but I will concede the point that in 2021 during the nft boom they did bring some awareness

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um because I've learned in the last week on x that that's where the splitterlands community lives

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which is a whole other thing the majority of them were unaware that Hive even existed

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um a couple have reached out and said that they've bought 10 20 000 worth of Hive tokens which is

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awesome um and a few of them now that the proposal is out are like hey I want to learn about Hive

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which is great but honestly to be frank too little too late like I'm sorry too little too late this

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has been three years of

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splinter lands bombarding our chain with nothing you know making it the database of nothing like

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task has talked about forever um we just frankly don't need them um so if you read through that

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proposal um matt you know matt running splinter lands came out and he did a post the other day

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that said no no he has no intention of leaving Hive but it's interesting that that post didn't

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come out until he started getting flack that he was threatening the chain um

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it's really interesting like he says on one hand well other chains can offer us more money so if

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you don't give it to us we'll just go to another chain as in exactly like the real wolf did he took

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that sprinter royale project and moved it to base which is the coin base chain which is as centralized

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as you get um and that's an interesting thing because now we have a top 20 witness I think

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wolf is at like 14 he's a top 20 witness and he took his project and left the chain with it

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like how is he still a top 20 witness he needs to be gone like get him out of there right now

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um and put InLeo up there you know InLeo Khal is building and building and onboarding people to the

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chain and what 31st come on like we need to raise awareness of this we need to be like

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beating this drum left and right if you're not building on the chain you can be on chain you

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know we can all disagree and stuff like that but if you're not building on the chain you can be on

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like that but you cannot be a top 20 witness as far as I'm concerned so the real wolf if you got

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any votes for him or you're proxying your votes to someone that's voting for him change it like

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he moved his project off of our chain um so splinter lands when you read through it what

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they're saying on the latest post from matt is well if the community won't fund us then I can't

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stop us from moving to another chain because I really want to stay on this chain but some other

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investor might come in and then he might decide to move us so what we give you five hundred thousand

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dollars that's a lot of money you lat for six months at twenty eight hundred dollars a day

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what happens in six months you're gonna come back and ask for more there's there's no business plan

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the entire business plan with that five hundred thousand dollars is oh we're just gonna go market

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to Web3 more it's like that's that's not a business plan not at all so um so from the

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surface it just pisses me off to no avail right um it's basically a threat um and if you're saying

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that you need an investor that bad I question your finances I'm like where's your money so

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a little insider baseball here um let's go back to 2021 the numbers I've been told and I'm welcome

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for anyone to correct me on this well let me back up one more thing on splinter lands this is what

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I would like to see because I'm okay to change my opinion everyone tells me they brought on a

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million accounts to Hive what are those a million counts doing I want a report that shows those

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million accounts how much they've earned through upvotes from splinter lands and stuff and how much

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they've cashed out and then I want to see on those million accounts how much capital they've brought

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into the chain because if they brought in a million accounts they've been upvoting them

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with the rewards pool and it's all been cashing out then splinter lands is nothing more than a

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drain on this community you go out into Web3 and you

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go to conferences and you talk to splinter lands players and a lot of them on x are even admitting

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this now they did not know they were on Hive so I don't care if you create a million ghost accounts

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you've done nothing for this chain but drain from it now they'll tell you they're not draining from

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it because they have no proposals this is their first proposal ever fine my view is if you've

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been rewarding all these players with upvotes which is fine we do the same thing but if none

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of them are growing in the ecosystem and they're just sucking it dry that's a different issue

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my gut feeling after talking to people that have been involved in 2021 splinter lands made a lot of

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money we're talking tens of millions of dollars it was the height of the nft boom there's players

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whose collections hit seven figures I think jango's collection hit like two three hundred thousand at

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one point but he ended up selling it for like thirty forty thousand right because he didn't

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catch the exact top so a lot of people made a lot of money in 2021 but they did that across the

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crypto space that's not unique to splinter lands it wasn't like splinter lands had this

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amazing game amazing ecosystem anything like that it was just a tide and that everyone made money on

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it right anyone can make money in a bull market right it's what you do in a bear market and what

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we're seeing in the bear market is they blew all their money and they even say that they say oh

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well we made some mistakes well let me give you some insider some of those mistakes one there's

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a bunch of people that they hired that they asked them to do tasks that never did any of them and

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then would just submit invoices for 40 hours a week and splinter lands will pay them

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and they were sitting around laughing like yeah I got my 40 hour a week payout from the splinter

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lands team I'm like did you even do anything this week for them no not really I just submitted and

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said I did work I've heard that from a bunch of people that are working on that team so when you

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start to hear that there's also a couple big accountants on this chain that are real accountants

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in real life that were asked by the splint lines team to audit their books and they're like I'm not

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touching that right so there's a lot of fishy stuff going on in there um that's just the outside

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I encourage them to open everything up and prove where everything went but I doubt they will um so

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you made a bunch of money you wasted a bunch of money and they've got extremely extremely high

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server costs I mean they use aws which is already super expensive and they have massive amounts of

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server costs because they're nothing but bot farming for games these days um bulldog who's

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the big one on x that talks about splinter lines he's won it in the dow or something over there

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he's like well the ten dollars is so they can buy more high

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for their Resource Credits no it's not matt has specifically stated that that ten dollar spell

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book thing they have is actually to help prevent bots but it didn't do its job um so that's kind

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of like one side says one thing one side says another thing and then even if we believe matt

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let's say I'm 100 wrong let's say we believe matt okay let's say he needs the money he's got a plan

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he can turn the game around it's going to benefit vibe okay let's say we believe that if you go on

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x and look at everything the x the splint

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is players on x have been saying for the last three days all they're saying is let's move to

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another chain let's move to another chain it'll bring players back and you ask them what do you

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mean it's coming players back like I got a lot of friends that used to play that don't play anymore

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I'm like why well the value of their assets went down 90 so if the value of the cards went down 90

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what's new players going to do well it'll make the assets go back up so your strategy is to move to

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another chain bring in players pump the value of the assets up pump the value of the assets up

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we all know what happens on their side dump so the players not not matt not the splint lines but

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the actual players that are playing right now that want the game to be saved they want to be saved

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long enough that they can bring in new players to pump up the value of the assets that they can then

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sell off their assets I don't know about you but I don't want to be involved with any rug pulls or

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anything that can be perceived as a pump and dump in this space so even if splint lines as a company

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isn't thinking that the player base is thinking that so

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this is just messed up just just the whole thing is messed up and what's even more messed up to me

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so little just insider politics of Hive matt in his dhf proposal is like oh see you all at HiveFest

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you know what that means he doesn't care about the community he's going to go to HiveFest which

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to me is a back room smoking cigars drinking brandy and all the decision makers are there

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and they're going to decide if he gets five hundred thousand dollars right like what so

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so now you're taking away any voting power from the community and it's just like hey

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Hive is centralized we're just a bunch of people in a back room and we're going to sit together

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at HiveFest and hang out and we're going to decide if you get half a million dollars

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you could be out your mind you could fund me of twenty thousand dollars you could fund crypto

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shots of twenty thousand dollars um stackers from the from the 3speak network you could

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give him twenty thousand dollars which is a fraction of that 500 000 and we could do

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far more onboarding but what do the three of us do we don't ask for it we just build build build

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on the chain and bring people onto the chain so that's the difference um and this goes back to

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like what we built with our nft system um and why we say play to own play to earn um so splintline

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struggling hash kings my understanding is they're basically dead um you go back out and correct me

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if I'm wrong someone I don't want to bash any projects but it's just what I heard in the last

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couple days because someone asked me to get involved and possibly save it um you go into

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the wider space um games are falling left and right now interesting little thing on me I'm

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in web 2. I go to developer conferences representatives from microsoft are there

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sony or their indie games are there there's a lot of back-end talk the big one in february

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I was pushing this concept of play to own I was pushing the cross item play uh cross item

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uh NFTs across you know taking one item from one game to another game and a couple of the studios

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I was talking with um took those ideas and concepts and they're building out on that

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iluvium game on ethereum that bulldogs pushing stuff which I have no problem with them taking

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that same concept because um the concept of play to own and cross-item portability

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across games is something that no one person can push on their own

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everyone needs to push it so I was excited to see them building it but they're still on the

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ethereum they're still on a gas um chain um so I I just I I don't think that's gonna work very long

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um going back one more thing on why like for some of the new people that joined we're taking over

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the development of ragnarok and crypto shots is joining Darkcloaks the ragnarok not joining dark

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cloaks initially um one of the arguments was well where are you going to keep the image and I just

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want to reiterate one more time NFTs are not images um even if you say they are maybe they

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work for concert tickets the reason why NFTs cannot be images in the gaming industry is if

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I have a two the simplest way I figured out to describe this is if I have a 2d game and you have

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a 3d game we want to transfer the item back and forth you can't transfer a 2d item to a 3d item

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game um that that's that's the basic reason why those won't um list at all and now let's

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move on to the next question um I just saw that I'm done oh I just saw Khal or InLeo drop in

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after I was done talking um yeah so just to uh I think that sums it up um yeah let me just take

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a breath task see if you have anything to add and then I'll answer some questions

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well I mean everything you said uh makes a lot of sense for those of us who haven't done a deep dive

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into the game um and so I'd just wanted to offer one last comment and then we'll go back to them

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but I have a question for you and yes and I think it's a great question and he seemed to agree with

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you and I've said for years that splinterlands did a great job marketing splinterlands to their

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credit and they got people to their game but they did not market Hive which is fine you don't have

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to necessarily mark it Hive if you want to they are a game they their game itself wasn't technically

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were doing custom json's they did have people um you know getting Hive accounts which is a positive

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thing so I'm not saying it was all negative I'm not coming from that angle but uh the simple fact

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is they did not do cross promotions they didn't even promote splinter talk which was their own

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Hive steam it high blog uh front end that they forked which allowed for the talking about

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games and your your battles and stuff like so I I think you're right in the sense that um

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and and one of the things that I'm very happy about how LEO approaches it is yes LEO has LEO

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voter but a lot of the people that LEO voter is voting upon

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and distributing that Hive power vote too are keeping it on chain they're not all just

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running out and selling it and they're not all just dumping it and anybody who not anybody but

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most everybody especially the ones who are regularly on LEO they damn well know they're

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on Hive LEO doesn't hide it from them and you are not going to see LEO people anywhere else

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around the world

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whether it's on facebook whether it's on instagram whether it's on twitter whether it's at uh some

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gathering you say to a LEO user hey well have you ever heard of Hive they say yeah what are you

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talking about of course LEO's on Hive we know that that was not the case with splinterlands and

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maybe it's because it's something different it's a game and that that's something different and I

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don't fault splinterlands for not necessarily promoting it they don't have to they were

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promoting their game and I'm fine with that but this is where the problem is and I'm not going to

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say because splinterland I strongly don't think there's not run out like sprinterlands and

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LEO's on Hive and might have to do an Chairman of the

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Association that's right don't say anything bad about it they just keep the information

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you're working on and they will have to know about it in the future because the work fraud

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Yeah, no, exactly. It's, and you know, it's like, show us the data. Um, you know, Khal finally joined after my rant, so he missed it. But, uh, you know, Khal's big thing defending the proposal. And that's why I love about chain. Everyone has different things. It's monthly active users. And I agree, we need more active users and stuff. But when you're telling me your million, your million ghost accounts, 1% of them have done anything on chain.

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Um, you need to show me that you're not extracting more value than you're bringing to the chain at this point. Um, I mean, I'll just say it one more time. I think it's, um, they boomed, they did great in the boom, like everyone else did. I think the boom went away. I think it showed their mismanagement. Now, here's an interesting take. Let's say they can show some data and stuff and persuade me that my first rant is a little bit off. That's fine. I'm open minded. But what happened with Google?

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And when Google got bigger, Sergey and, um, Larry, was it Larry Page? They both decided we can't run this anymore. We need someone else. So maybe Matt's last post where he says, if I don't get funding from the community, I need an investor to come in and they'll make a better decision. Maybe it's at that point. Maybe the talent at the top level just didn't grow at the rate the company grew. And this has happened a lot. Um, I do auto detailing. The big brand in auto detailing is Adam. Adam's polishes. Adam just took a big payout of like 50.

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million dollars for 90% of his company. But he did that early on as the company is growing. He's like, Whoa, I don't have the skills to scale this. But let me bring people in Google. Oh, I don't have the skills to grow this. Let me bring people in. Maybe it's time that they don't have the skills and someone else needs to come in. I mean, $500,000 and I'm just going to spend it on marketing. That that's no, we need a real breakdown. Like real breakdown. Now there's some great proposals that do it. The InLeo proposal was good. The VSC

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proposal was good. The 3Speak proposal are good. Those proposals. Splinterlands needs to go look at them and see how they communicated and how they did things. Not just show up at HiveFest, smoke and joke with a bunch of people and convince them all the fun is proposal. Like you backroom deals to pass proposals. That's BS and it's got to go away. Um, yeah. Well, yeah. And what you strike to is it's more than just Splinterlands. In my opinion, it's

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It is one of the problems with the proposal. And before you said it, I was going to mention the proposal that Leo did put in. And basically, uh, that proposal had a breakdown. It had some quantification. It said, okay, these are the metrics that we think we are going to achieve. They're, they're measurable. They're observable. And in fact, Khal actually said, and oh, by the way, if we don't achieve them, if you fund this for a year and we don't achieve it, we'll give the money back. We'll repay. Yeah. So

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So, I mean, that was not only was there, and I don't have a problem with the chain necessarily taking on the risk because when you're, when you're doing stuff, there's going to be failure. There's going to be things that don't work out. So, so that's fine. But how do you know you're going to succeed and what are you using it on? And unfortunately, we still keep getting into the same thing. Well, we're just going to go market. We're just going to go market. And it's like, okay, well, what do you have to market? And that always comes up.

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It comes back to, I started this in the late 1990s. I started in marketing, excuse me, the late 1980s. I started in marketing. And basically what you have to have is you have to have something you are marketing. And I don't play Splinterlands, so I'm not even going to profess to know what's going on. But what you were saying in there is if the players themselves are sitting there saying, we need to pump this so we can pump our bags so we can get out.

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It's like, to me, and I'm not a gamer, so I don't profess to be a gamer, but I have watched enough of the Web3 gaming, and I'll put that in quotes if to make you happy, simple game. But I've seen enough where it's just really just more of that Ponzi scheme type stuff. And that's why when I look at Leo now, and we're starting to see these different features roll out, and I keep, you know, getting excited about them, keep threading about them, keep writing about them.

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But when you start talking about LeoAI, there's a feature, there's a service. LeoDex, there's a service. Threads, there's a service. Leo Video, TikTok-related type of thing, there's a service. And you start adding it all up, and it's like, okay, if things are not working here, why isn't it working? And what do we need to fix with our features? What do we need to fix with how we talk about our features, with how we promote our features?

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That's a lot different than saying our game's broken, and we need people to come in and pump it.

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So just from that standpoint alone, I think there's reason to say, why? What is it going to solve? So you're going to get more players to pump it and pump the existing players' bags, and then what happens? They're stuck, so we need, like you said, in another six months, another 500 grand, which, by the way, I think Khal asked for 200 grand for the whole year. So 200 grand for the whole year versus 500 grand for six months.

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Well, that goes back to my point. They got really high server costs.

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So I didn't get into the technical side of this, but this is a technical gaming thing. They built their, quote, game on a website. Like, you know me, Tass. I've done this. I took over Holy Bread for the community because the devs rubbed, pulled, and I tried to save it. Then I built Thunkgaria. I've been involved with some of these other games. And this is my attitude that Nifty knows. I say this all the time. Every game on Hive is a joke because they're just web interfaces trying to be financial instrument ponzis.

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But because they designed their game that way, their server costs are really high. The way you actually design a game, and this was my argument when I'm taking over Ragnarok and disregard Fiat through a hissy fit that he called it centralized. I'm like, of course, any game is going to have a centralized game server because there's this thing called customer service. And if anything happens in the game, like it crashes, there's a glitch, your sword disappears, your inventory goes down.

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No game studio is going to be, quote, on chain and not give themselves the ability to customer service that customer, which is why we built the system the way we did, right? You're playing our games, and then the game, when you deposit, will mint to chain, and then you own that, right? And to call that centralized like he did just really set me off. I'm like, that's not centralized. Once I minted the chain and you own it, you can do whatever you want to it. You can move it around chain. You can sell it to another player.

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We do have a website that is only a couple servers that isn't decentralized that gives you that functionality, but that doesn't mean that functionality can't be created by someone else, and you can't access your item by yourself. So it's a different way of looking at it. I think from the inside, what I've heard of they've overspent on servers, they overspent on team members that were milking them saying they worked 40 hours a week, and they didn't work 40 hours a week. All these things that have led to basically they're running out of money, and they need money.

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need money they either need it from us or they need it from from another chain or the last

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response matt had is they need it from an outside investor well I'll tell you what if you're that

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serious about it I know a lot of web 2 gaming investors and if you got a real proposal with

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real like numbers of your company and what you think the profitability it is let me know because

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if you get outside web 3 500 000 for a game is not much so you guys know I'm building I'm building

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poor brawlers right I'm 75 000 in on poor brawlers I'm gonna spend another 40 000 on my

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pocket to get poor brawlers done um maybe 50 in the next six months that's considered a small

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small small game I've already had publishers approach us and they'll give us 300 000 to

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complete it um if you have a game that appeals to gamers and has potential in the marketplace

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500 000 is a small ask if you've got a layer two ponzi financial instrument token that you made

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a profit out of it you're going to get a lot of money out of it and you're going to get a lot of

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money out of it and you're going to get a lot of money out of it and you're going to get a lot of

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a ton of money during a boom and then you blew it all I question it but I'm okay I'm okay to be

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proven wrong prove me wrong get the numbers out there show where the money went don't just say

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oh we had large financial losses okay what stops you from having another 500 000 large financial

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loss over the next six months or are we just paying for six months of you to keep paying

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yourself and your friends for you're looking for an exit you're looking for an out right are we

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just paying to buy you six months

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or months of time like like be legitimate with what you're what you're doing don't just put a

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proposal that says give this to me or I'm leaving because you know what everyone did everyone said

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fine leave every player on x for swimming and said yes please let's go to another chain so we can get

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our bags pumped and then matt instantly backpedaled I was like whoa whoa whoa whoa no no I don't want

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to leave Hive I don't want to leave Hive I don't want to leave Hive but if I don't get the money

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then I need an investor and I can't promise anything which is still a subtle threat well

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we bring monthly active users really you bring monthly active users

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so actually look what splintlines puts on chain right this is my argument with our system we're

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minting true immutable human readable digital ownership on chain they're putting hexadecimal

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strings we've talked about this task database of nothing versus database of something um and I know

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I'm probably like spinning into the wind and the proposal is going to pass and all the people at

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HiveFest are gonna be smoking and joking and funding each other and patting each other on the

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back um but I just want to feel good about myself though I just didn't put my two words in

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But regardless of the Splinter Lines thing, the one thing I really want to say here is in that DHF proposal, Matt calls out the real wolf for taking his project and running into Coinbase with it, changing the name from Sprinter Royale.

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And to be honest, when I first saw Sprinter Royale, I was like, oh, this is cool.

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The Splinter Lines ecosystem is expanding.

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They're giving people access to their data so he can use the card images and make a game out of it.

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And now that he ran to another chain with it, he's a top witness.

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Threads InLeo is number 31.

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The real wolf is 14th.

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In Leo is building on chain.

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And let's be honest, Threads is the only reason I came heavily back onto chain.

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Like I was on chain a little bit.

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I left and I was kind of monitoring it.

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But when Threads came out, I came back hard, right?

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I'm fully committed and Leo's fully committed.

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In Leo's 31st, the real wolf is 14th and he took his project to another chain.

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He needs to go.

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Get him out of the top 20.

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Oh, man, that just boiled my.

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Just boiled my blood yesterday.

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Well, and what's ironic is Khal and Leo are always accused of looking elsewhere and talking about outside projects and not being dedicated to Hive.

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And like you said, there's a top 20 witness, a consensus witness who's on.

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He's not even on Ethereum or Polygon.

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He went to Coinbase.

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I mean, you know, why not just go to Goldman Sachs while you're at it?

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I mean, it's, you know.

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But anyway, yeah, I understand where you're coming from.

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And as I said, this is in a lot of ways even a bigger deal with the DHF than it is just with Splinterlands and the lack of accountability.

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And it's basically looked at as government money.

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It's the same thing.

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You know, let's see what we can get out of it and let's distribute it.

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And there's no there's no requirements for do you meet it?

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There's no metrics.

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So.

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Well, how do we know if you do what you say you're going to do?

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And then, like you said, it's like, how do you even know if they're capable of it, whether they were at one point or not?

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It's like, how do you know if you're capable of it or not?

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To give you a chance to to catch your breath and just to to throw some of the other questions here so they don't get too buried.

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Nifty asked when full portal brawlers release need a couch op game for me and the wife.

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We're going to be releasing.

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The new combat demo this week.

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We're rebuilding the tavern.

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We're shooting between October and February.

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I'm pushing the team hard.

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I want an October release because we want to hit the October Steam Fest.

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But if we miss it, then we have to wait for the February Steam Fest.

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We don't have to.

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But Steam Fest, the way Steam works, really helps promote and pump your game up.

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So if you miss October, February is the next thing.

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And the game will be mostly done before then.

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Demo's will be available.

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You're going to see a lot coming out in the next next month right now.

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As you guys know, we hand make every single piece of art in there.

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We hand draw every single pixel, every bit of code.

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I do screenshots all the time.

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Our art team just spent the last month bombarding out a ton of assets, so we're just putting them back into the game.

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So, yeah, Nifty, October to February.

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February is the drop dead date.

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It cannot come out later than that.

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And our business plan.

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But I'm pushing for earlier.

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But there will be some amazing playable demos that come out before that.

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If you could give another

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recap of this, LisaMGentile asked, I am interested in learning the difference

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between play to earn and play to own.

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I like the concept of ownership around here.

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You want to give a quick overview

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of Ponds versus what you're doing with your idea of play to own?

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So play to earn.

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This came out as a way for people to create tokens and give them a use case.

380
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:18,720
Right.

381
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,400
We got to go back to 2017, 2018 crypto for this.

382
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,760
And this is the thing, too, like we're six years later.

383
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,880
So things have changed.

384
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,840
We can't keep going down that road.

385
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,960
So play to earn is like Splinterlands.

386
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Like if you play, we're going to reward you with our token.

387
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Come play our game, give us your token.

388
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:34,920
And you guys know me.

389
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,720
I'm like Layer 2 tokens do not belong in games at all.

390
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Layer 2 tokens are great for community rewards.

391
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,560
I'm totally on board with that.

392
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,840
They just don't belong inside of a game.

393
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,400
And so basically, it was just a way for you to mine a token.

394
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,680
And in my view, they're Ponzi's.

395
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,120
It was just a way for people to make a token, make a game, convince you to do

396
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,520
the token they had already pre mined a bunch of the token.

397
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,480
I mean, look at look at deck, look at deck and SPS.

398
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,800
Right. Massive pre mines, massive pre mines.

399
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,080
Right.

400
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,040
They pre mine the tokens and they're just trying to convince you to to

401
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:13,120
earn it in the game.

402
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560
And then the value, the value always goes down on those tokens.

403
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,440
It doesn't stay.

404
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,720
So with play to own is completely different.

405
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,200
And and this is what a lot of people disagree with the space.

406
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,280
And I'm like, you guys don't understand.

407
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Like, I literally am talking with Xbox.

408
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,360
Like, how do I get a high log in when you're on Xbox is one of the choices.

409
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Right.

410
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Like these are legitimate conversations we have and they won't touch the space.

411
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:42,040
So what we have to do with play to own is now you play a game and you guys know

412
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,520
it's an RPG or so I always use this one.

413
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,600
You play a game and you get we'll just use sword.

414
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,240
Sword is easier. Right.

415
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,000
We give you a fire sword.

416
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,360
Well, we meant to chain.

417
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,680
We meant to Hive an immutable human

418
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,080
readable text that your name owns a fire sword.

419
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,720
Now you can do whatever you want with it.

420
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,120
You can use our website to transfer it to another player.

421
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,880
You can use our website to sell it.

422
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,600
You can use our website to buy one

423
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,640
from another player in case you didn't get one dropped.

424
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,160
Someone else can create a website.

425
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Eventually we're going to have tools out where you can broadcast your own

426
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,480
custom JSON that transfers ownership without a site.

427
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,800
It's however you want to do it.

428
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,320
But you own it now because it's outside the game is recorded on Hive.

429
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,960
So the idea is then items become cross playable.

430
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,760
Right.

431
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,960
And this is why the image doesn't matter

432
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,960
because you got that fire sword and poor ballers and poor ballers a 2D game.

433
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,320
But now

434
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,320
in in crypto shots, for example, crypto shots is a 3D FPS game.

435
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,840
They could add the fire sword in there as a melee attack.

436
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,080
Right. Or at least let you use it as a skin.

437
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,800
So now it just reads the Hive blockchain.

438
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,480
Even if we went away tomorrow,

439
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,000
all of our our games, you still own it on chain.

440
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,360
So any other game can use it.

441
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,240
So that's the difference.

442
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,920
Digital ownership in gaming, in our view, as play to own is we're actually giving

443
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,160
you items that you've earned in a game.

444
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,440
We're play to earn is someone's trying to convince you to get a token that everyone

445
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,160
I've ever seen has turned into a Ponzi and the value of that token has gone down over time.

446
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,080
I've never seen one stabilize and I can be proven wrong.

447
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Right. This is just my view.

448
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,000
I'm always open to new information, but that's what I've seen in the space.

449
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,360
I've also seen the space that play to own is catching on with some of the larger

450
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,800
companies. There is some large companies and there are some that file patents

451
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160
that are going to move in this space in the next few years.

452
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,160
And if gaming in the space

453
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,800
isn't set up for being the infrastructure, the underlying technology for them to use,

454
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,320
they'll build their own. But if we can be our be the one that they'll

455
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,360
use, imagine now Microsoft goes, fine, I'm going to buy a million Hive.

456
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Right.

457
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,560
There's going to build a million have the Resource Credits to use our system as as

458
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,200
the default database for your digital ownership in the future.

459
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Right. Every Pokemon, every magic card you have is on chain.

460
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,240
That's the conversations we're having.

461
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,920
Right. And it has to start with small studios.

462
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,240
So it's just a completely different take on it.

463
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,960
And it's not that

464
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,240
building Web three out

465
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,920
like the way like other people are doing, it doesn't have value.

466
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,840
But every Web three game, like I tell you all the time,

467
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,400
every Web three game I've seen with layer two token is a Ponzi.

468
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,720
And I stand by that.

469
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,720
And

470
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,080
I'm going to ask you the next question.

471
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,200
I was going through some of the comments here.

472
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,560
There are there aren't a lot of questions, but there are some some comments.

473
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Although there is one question here.

474
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Where did it go?

475
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,760
It was kind of funny.

476
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,240
I don't know where it is.

477
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,360
Just say you off again.

478
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,320
Nothing. Nothing.

479
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,160
Really no. Maybe I'll come come back to it.

480
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,080
It

481
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,080
was Fred.

482
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,640
But how can people play Splinterlands and not know anything about Hive here

483
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:21,200
because they are on the Splinterlands UI and they they don't know where it is.

484
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,560
I mean, when you're playing a game, you're on a server.

485
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,360
So, you know, it's interesting.

486
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,960
And the interesting thing about that is one of the big guys, I think it was Bulldog

487
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,120
on on X is like, well, we can't get any liquidity into Hive.

488
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,920
And we all know that's been an issue in the past.

489
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,080
But the minute Splinterlands added Steam, Ethereum,

490
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,520
I forget what all the options are, Fiat, once they added all those options,

491
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,720
then all of a sudden there was a way to get liquidity in

492
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
or at least into the Splinterlands ecosystem.

493
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,120
That's what I'm saying. A lot of liquidity went through there.

494
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,560
I don't want to say numbers because people will run with them.

495
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,200
The number I heard was they made thirty million dollars in twenty twenty one

496
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,960
top line revenue that puts them at a double a studio.

497
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,240
Helldivers, I think, was made for twenty million

498
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
divers to how the world was made for like fifteen million.

499
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,760
So if you've truly made thirty million and I could be wrong, like maybe they

500
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,720
didn't, but that was a number that was thrown around.

501
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,880
Four years later, you're struggling to make five hundred thousand.

502
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,720
Right. Maybe it's just not the right people in charge.

503
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,240
I don't know. I don't know.

504
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,680
There's just a lot of questions.

505
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,040
There's a lot of questions.

506
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:35,280
Fish said Splinterlands players keep having two hundred K on chain transactions per

507
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,360
day, a huge drop since months ago, though that's way more than anything else.

508
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,280
They are not.

509
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Yeah.

510
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,080
But those but those but those transactions are nothing.

511
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,400
They don't mean anything.

512
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,640
What are those transactions?

513
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,400
Post me the custom JSONs of those transactions and prove to me they have

514
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
any meaning if Splinterlands servers shut down.

515
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Boom. Look at that.

516
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:00,040
Mightpossibly just post in the forecast a second ago that here are some of my

517
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:05,520
quest entities from my from our system, but you can track ours on chain.

518
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,240
In fact, I just need to do another post

519
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,720
and show all the transactions on chain again.

520
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,280
I don't care.

521
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Splinterlands posting on chain, you started a battle.

522
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,280
That means nothing that has no purpose on chain like that.

523
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Just saying they posted that to chain.

524
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,240
They're spamming the chain.

525
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,320
So another way to look at it, they're just spamming the chain.

526
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,800
Yeah, well, and what you have is two hundred thousand, which is not a lot.

527
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,840
If you get enough NFTs on on on your system, there will be more now when people

528
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,200
are just moving them around, you know, buying.

529
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, easily.

530
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,280
And like I said, people that don't think

531
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,240
our system is doing well, like Splinterlands or Crypto Shots has joined us.

532
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400
We're going to be updating the game page with links to their site.

533
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Their collection is coming live.

534
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,640
We're taking over the development of Ragnarok and we might do something with

535
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,400
the NFTs on that on our system, even if Ragnarok the game itself doesn't

536
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,720
because Dan has a unique way he wants to do it with the reward system,

537
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,400
which I'm not opposed to, but we're going to make an amazing game.

538
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,480
Yeah, real games are coming.

539
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,880
You know, we got two little mini games out, our little racing game.

540
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,840
I've got a video on my blog.

541
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,920
I put on three spagas like two, three minutes wrong.

542
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,000
It's me sucking at our little mini racing game that we built in five days

543
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,840
just to prove the proof of concept of how our NFT system works.

544
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,520
And we're going to build some more on the game.

545
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,920
But to Nifty's point, we only get time to work on those in between

546
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,400
portal brawler builds, but as soon as portal brawlers is done, we're going to be.

547
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,200
Into those

548
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,360
really developing those.

549
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,400
Yeah, I might have read this.

550
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Khal said lines are all on chain.

551
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,640
We're all launching.

552
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,360
Khal said lines, put it all on chain and wait.

553
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,440
Don't Leo is here.

554
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Then it'll all be hanging out anyway.

555
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,880
But yeah, yeah.

556
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,120
Well, our leaderboard.

557
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,680
So an interesting thing we're going to do is with LeoAI, which is why I'm excited

558
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,600
about it, is in the past you'd have to develop leaderboards on your front end, plug

559
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,400
in the leaderboard system.

560
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,360
And we're going to set it up where we post a leaderboard daily as a post.

561
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,080
This is the leaderboard for Darkcloaks or whatever.

562
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,200
And then my hope and my understanding is

563
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,000
LeoAI then can be like who's stayed on first place on the leaderboard the longest.

564
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,920
And it can go through and be like,

565
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,000
this player was on the leaderboard for ten consecutive days.

566
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,000
You know what I mean?

567
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:39,400
So I think putting the leaderboards on chain every day is going to give players

568
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,560
this cool the community cool stuff that they can do and interact with.

569
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Sorry, that was a tangent.

570
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,480
No, no.

571
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,640
And I'm sure Khal likes hearing that because he's in the room.

572
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,160
And certainly that's one of the reasons to get so excited about LeoAI is is not

573
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,520
only what it does for us, the users, but what it does for people developing

574
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:03,520
and building different games, applications, whatever, that now you can

575
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:08,600
use LeoAI to to do some some searches and to pull the data you need.

576
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,880
Here's what it was.

577
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,560
And don't don't don't start again.

578
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,280
But simple game.

579
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,120
Do you have a beef with Splinterlands firing them up like this?

580
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,320
Yeah, he has a little he has some questions.

581
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,920
Let's just put it that way.

582
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,600
Yeah, I wouldn't call it a beef.

583
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,200
I'm just questioning the the just the wording and everything like that.

584
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,600
Brando's got one in here that's interesting.

585
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,800
He says, I like the whole crypto space.

586
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,560
GameFi is getting seriously diluted.

587
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Finding users is tougher, tougher day.

588
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:37,880
Exactly. GameFi.

589
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:38,520
DeFi.

590
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:39,200
DeFi to earn.

591
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,880
It's a shrinking player base in crypto.

592
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,080
It's just shrinking.

593
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,600
So the idea for gaming on crypto and I'm

594
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,200
not trying to bridge this into any other projects or anything like that.

595
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,320
Like gaming does not need smart contracts.

596
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,720
Play to own doesn't need all that type of stuff.

597
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,120
Those systems, even even if you could argue with me why they're needed

598
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,320
technically and convince me, I would say, sure.

599
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,400
OK, I agree.

600
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,720
Let's say you do convince me because I am open minded.

601
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:08,520
I can be convinced.

602
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:10,200
I can be convinced of things with data points.

603
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,000
But I will say, that's great.

604
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,160
You build that.

605
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,640
I cannot use those because I'm talking to Microsoft.

606
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,200
I'm talking to Sony.

607
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,000
I'm talking to Nintendo and they won't use those smart contract systems.

608
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,960
I have to give them like flat text, right?

609
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Custom JSON that has value that has power.

610
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Database of truth has power and that's what our blockchain has.

611
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,520
And that's why we've built our system our way.

612
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,640
Yeah, I think the play to.

613
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,960
Never mind. I'm going to rant again.

614
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Good to ask questions.

615
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,080
OK.

616
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Brando said he's addicted to Splinterlands.

617
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,840
That's good. I mean, if you enjoy it.

618
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Yeah. Khal Khal.

619
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:59,520
And this is a point I sat at a front row seat or a second row seat and watch Khal do this.

620
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,160
I worked hard to campaign our witness at one point.

621
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,800
We were met with heavy resistance to put what despite what you just said.

622
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,520
There are more than just one top 20.

623
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,880
Who have basically all but left.

624
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,000
We put it all on chain and continue to be built here.

625
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,600
Even LeoAI fully trained on high data as a high centric LLM model.

626
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,080
When will the major stakeholders wake up?

627
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,840
And I presume that last question is rhetorical.

628
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,440
Khal also said and he has a little disagreement, I guess he agrees and disagrees.

629
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,080
I agree with many things here, but I support Matt in Splinterlands.

630
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,520
There's a lot of nuance here and I do split.

631
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:39,920
It's essential for Hive.

632
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,800
This chain would be incredibly different without them.

633
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,760
Yeah. And and I don't I don't disagree with that, that there is a lot of nuance here.

634
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,880
I'm just raising points.

635
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,360
The community is raising points.

636
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,920
It's a lot of ask.

637
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,040
It's a lot of ask, especially when you're like, yeah, but we support other projects.

638
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,760
Really? Every time I've ever proposed something

639
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,680
on this chain, I've run into what Khal's run into.

640
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,360
You're not one of the old boy club.

641
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,520
You're not one of the network. Look, look at this.

642
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,200
We just took a Ragnarok from Dan.

643
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,280
Dan signed over, signed Ragnarok.

644
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,400
Phil meant over to us.

645
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,040
We're going to move the NFTs to Darkcloaks and disregard free throws a hissy fit.

646
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,760
And now we're not doing the NFTs.

647
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,760
We might down the road.

648
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,680
But at this point, we're just going to develop the game.

649
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,200
It's like.

650
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,400
What? It's like you say you support and work

651
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,920
with each other, but all of a sudden you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

652
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,280
Don't touch on my toes.

653
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,720
And and, you know, and me and Khal might not ever agree on this, but I love Khal.

654
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,960
I love everything he does. We want to work together and stuff.

655
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,440
This is just a matter of, you know, we can disagree and still work together.

656
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,720
We love each other and be part of a community.

657
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,640
But yeah, the chain will be different about Splinterlands.

658
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,800
Not necessarily a bad thing.

659
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,520
Not necessarily a bad thing.

660
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:49,600
Maybe it's time for a complete reset.

661
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,240
Maybe maybe Splinterlands leaving will flush out a bunch of the old guard

662
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,800
and his top 20 witnessing. He's right.

663
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,560
And so I have this conversation with people.

664
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,120
I'm like, you know, let's say because I, you know, you guys,

665
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,360
I don't know how many people know, but I run a few successful auto detailing shops

666
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,440
and and other businesses in the real world.

667
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:15,400
And, you know, what happens if we start bringing in five hundred thousand dollars

668
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,040
a year to have what do we start doing?

669
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:20,040
Twenty thirty thousand dollar fifty Khal did one the other day.

670
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,040
Khal did like a twenty five, twenty six thousand dollar buy.

671
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,120
It's like what if we start getting a group

672
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,800
of one hundred new people that also are in thirty forty thousand a month?

673
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,640
We could flip the top 20 witnesses.

674
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,480
We can flip the chain.

675
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,560
We can flip the conversation fairly quickly.

676
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,800
So, yeah, I mean,

677
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,280
and to Khal's point, I think Splinterlands is going to get their five hundred

678
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,880
thousand dollars, I think they're going to fail with it.

679
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,960
I think they're still going to have to take on another investor.

680
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,200
And I just want to voice my opinion on it.

681
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,880
And I know it's not going to make a big difference, but

682
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,000
saying Splinterlands brings all these players to the chain as well as promotes

683
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,560
the chain is just I don't see it.

684
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,200
I see new things come on board, new things being built

685
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,200
InLeo's step in that direction.

686
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,720
Crypto shots is doing amazing.

687
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Things crypto shots has got a couple of players now promoting them.

688
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,920
They're getting really big in that scene.

689
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,720
I see everything evolving that way.

690
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,080
And people don't believe me at this,

691
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,800
but I see that Hive guard that we're talking about that's still there.

692
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,920
I see them going away.

693
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,520
They they will go away over the next few years.

694
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,160
This chain is going to look different in three to five years.

695
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,760
And

696
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,320
this is a small blip in the road, but I wouldn't feel good about myself if I

697
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,040
didn't at least voice my opinions, because that's what the community should be.

698
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,480
We should all voice our opinions.

699
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
And that's what I love about it.

700
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,040
Yeah.

701
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,640
And I can say from experience,

702
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,880
simple game that Khal often disagrees with me, which just shows that he's wrong

703
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,880
quite frequently, but anyway, he did he did say something here,

704
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,560
which you might find at simple game, what if we had Microsoft as a Leo

705
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,120
infra sign in option, do you think that would help you?

706
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,480
Yeah, that's one of the things like we haven't done light accounts or

707
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,360
those long those sign ins yet because I know Khal's got systems built via these

708
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,800
billing systems, I'm going to be at Rare Evo Khal says he's ninety five ninety nine

709
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,040
percent sure going to be there.

710
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,200
So that was one of the things when we sit down, I want to actually have those

711
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,360
conversations of how to use their infrastructure more because I'm all for it.

712
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,000
I want to use a lot of infrastructure.

713
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,040
I want to do advice when the ads come out.

714
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,160
But yeah, I'm looking forward to every

715
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,600
rare Evo hang out with Khal again in Vegas like we did last time, which got ourselves

716
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,320
a little trouble.

717
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,360
So, yeah, and have those conversations.

718
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,240
Totally looking forward to that.

719
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Excellent. Excellent.

720
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,600
So that's something that and that's the cool thing, honestly, about,

721
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,320
you know, what Leo is doing.

722
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,920
And I I sent out a thread earlier.

723
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,720
Somebody was in technical, highly technical nature.

724
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,560
But somebody used the feedback tag and had a suggestion about tags.

725
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,960
And Khal basically replied and said, it's a good idea.

726
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,880
I'll add it to the list.

727
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,320
He's mentioned a couple of different

728
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:08,680
things. He thought it could be added.

729
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,760
And that's what it is.

730
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,160
If you want something, just ask.

731
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,680
And if Khal thinks it's a good idea, he'll put it on the agenda.

732
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,240
Elgats diverse and other change is usually good.

733
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,760
But what if they choose base?

734
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,160
Have they understood its first block chain and baked in KYC?

735
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,960
It's basically opposite of Hive and Freedom.

736
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,080
Yeah.

737
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,200
You know, it's the users.

738
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,120
They don't matter. It's the money.

739
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,800
It's my guess.

740
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,600
You know, like most of these things, it's you build on Ethereum,

741
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,000
not because you're your project will be successful,

742
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,160
but because you'll get a lot of money by being on Ethereum.

743
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,800
Oh, yeah. I'm being approached by Cardano right now.

744
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,160
Cardano is courting us hardcore right now.

745
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,520
I have a couple of friends that built a couple of games on Cardano

746
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,000
and that's going to be my conversations in August is like

747
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,040
your game can be on Cardano, but you could still mint your NFTs on Hive,

748
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,640
on Darkcloaks, we just create you an account and you

749
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,280
purchase ten thousand Hive, you know,

750
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,480
and that might not be a large amount.

751
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,680
But once we get one or two people like that, that snowball effect really kicks off.

752
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,600
That's why I'm excited for Cryptoshots joining our system.

753
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,760
Gabe over there is a massively amazing developer.

754
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,440
His team does amazing 3D games and they connect with WAX.

755
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,440
They're a good bridge into the WAX ecosystem.

756
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,480
They bring players over from that all the time.

757
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,520
They have daily tournaments.

758
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,720
They're moving away from their token a little bit, I think,

759
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,320
because the daily tournaments pay out in native Hive.

760
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,920
There's a lot of amazing things going on.

761
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,040
But, yeah, the reason why people go to other chains is the other chains just give

762
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:43,400
them money. They're not for building the future like we are.

763
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,360
Eric Hall is and a lot of people are passionate on the chain.

764
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,720
They're just trying to get a quick money grab.

765
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,280
Fish said and maybe you'll understand, I'm not quite following it.

766
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,360
Then it is like linking images, YouTube videos or any other links.

767
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,480
If you don't control the repository to just a random string of characters.

768
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,520
I guess he's talking about NFTs.

769
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,760
So, yeah, NFT is exactly.

770
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,480
And I've talked about this.

771
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,160
It's just a random string of characters.

772
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,360
If they're if their servers move someplace else and we've talked about this before

773
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,280
task, then it doesn't mean anything.

774
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,160
That's why we chose to put immutable human

775
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,520
readable data on chain with with real attributes, with your name, with the sword.

776
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:25,640
We've talked about this before.

777
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Amazon.com has value 192.168.10.1 has no value.

778
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,040
So human readable text has value to

779
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,760
humans. So recording that on chain is true ownership.

780
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,000
Recording a string that references some other server doesn't.

781
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,600
Now, I know 3Speak is working out

782
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,400
with the IPS system and there's things like that.

783
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,280
And that's great and it works and I trust it.

784
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,440
But that goes back to.

785
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,440
But with gaming, I can't do that if we're working with other gaming studios

786
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,720
because there's there's still a barrier there and maybe we overcome it in a few

787
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,040
years, but the current barrier is, yeah, but my game, my art looks different than

788
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,480
your art.

789
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
You know, your pictures are different than my pictures.

790
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,000
We use, you know, 3D models and realistic use cartoon looking models.

791
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,120
And to overcome that, we have to eliminate

792
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,400
those images and we have to use just that text.

793
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,720
And that's why it's built the way it is.

794
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,720
And the technology will get there.

795
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,200
I mean, there's a technology being built

796
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,600
with three built was a long way towards decentralizing those things.

797
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,520
But the Splinterlands argument is they're

798
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,320
just posting strings of text that reference their servers, their service could go away

799
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,320
tomorrow, get bought out by someone, move to another chain.

800
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,680
You don't actually own anything.

801
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,360
And it goes back to many posts I have

802
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,240
on my blog of database of nothing versus database of something.

803
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,040
And here he didn't use the hashtag

804
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,800
feedback because I guess then he would read it himself.

805
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,240
But Khal Khal did submit a request, would love to get more involved with Ragnarok

806
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,440
and finding tie ins within Leo thread, so maybe as you're developing that game,

807
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,400
maybe you put a post or something in there.

808
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,120
Yeah, yeah, we can we can chat about that at Rare Evo.

809
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,280
We literally just signed the deal with Dan two days ago.

810
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,600
Eddie Spino, I think it's pronounced.

811
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,600
We just worked yesterday on an announcement post.

812
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,360
He's supposed to announce it from the Ragnarok account.

813
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,920
So, yeah, that'll all be hitting chain.

814
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,760
But yeah, we can talk about it.

815
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,040
Dan wants to talk about it down.

816
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,280
Super excited about it to Khal.

817
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,680
You're probably see Dan at HiveFest.

818
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,520
I won't be there. So chat with him about it.

819
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,520
But we're taking over all the code development because to be

820
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,960
honest, so what happened during that boom to that's made all that money.

821
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,480
There was also a lot of game studios like ours, a traditional game.

822
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,920
And that took a lot of money from Web three

823
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,120
and got burnt by a lot of Web three projects.

824
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,560
And that created a lot of hostility.

825
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,960
And then people in this industry still get burned.

826
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,880
So anyone on Hive that's building a game, even the holes in game.

827
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,840
Right. He's like, hey, I'm building the game,

828
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,080
but I'm not a developer, but delegate to me and I'll get a bunch of money because

829
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,440
I'm asset.

830
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,440
That is cool.

831
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,280
And I'm going to have these people make this game for me.

832
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,840
Really? Yeah.

833
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,120
Well, Dan tried that and he had some struggles.

834
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,000
So we're taking over.

835
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,440
So if you're really on chain, think about making a true game in a game engine.

836
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,280
I know Pete's is looking at doing something unreal right now.

837
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,680
Come chat with me for like an hour.

838
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,320
I can give you some actual real not like

839
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,480
you know, I seem like a little defensive, but no, I'm really open.

840
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,240
We can talk about it.

841
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,720
I can give you some advice, things to look out for, things to pay attention to.

842
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:32,440
You don't have to.

843
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,200
That's our studio.

844
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,200
If you get offers from some studios,

845
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,080
I'm more than happy if you're on chain part of the community to look at it.

846
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,760
Give you my advice on it.

847
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,960
I just don't like seeing people getting taken advantage of.

848
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,920
So anyways, Khal also said InLeo

849
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,600
leads to Leo chat leads to prompt analyze the past three months of Darkloat's

850
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,680
leaderboard and tell me the top players and any patterns you can find.

851
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,680
So basically he was saying, yes,

852
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:06,560
exactly what you're saying, a simple game that will be able to be pulled.

853
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,640
Yeah, that's awesome.

854
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,040
That's that's so exciting that just my brain goes

855
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,240
starts thinking about a million different use cases we can do for that to improve

856
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,440
the community. And this is great, right?

857
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,320
Because now and this is my new take I'm doing with a lot of indie studios is I

858
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,800
don't think game studios should have Discord servers for their community.

859
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,560
I think all community interaction should be in public and we're going to push all

860
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,600
community interaction to threads, you know, videos.

861
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,000
Posting everything.

862
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,080
The only thing we have discords for is for our development team.

863
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,080
Yeah. And that way, all community interaction is there.

864
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,080
It can be mined by the A.I. We can upload it.

865
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,960
You can be rewarded in the community token.

866
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,800
We can talk about games, talk about other games, talk about what we enjoy.

867
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,240
And it's all there and it can all be referenced.

868
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,800
Yeah, that's my big kick right now.

869
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,440
And the indie development scene is when I'm talking to studios and people is don't

870
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,520
have your internal discords, which is weird because VCs and

871
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,600
publishers all want to know the size of your discords, your size,

872
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,120
your discords, your social media accounts now is what gets you funding in the

873
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,200
current game industry. And we're kind of going ahead and saying,

874
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,560
no, you don't even need it. You just need to join

875
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,280
like these web communities.

876
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Well, and I'm still trying to evolve this idea to figure out how to present it.

877
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:24,640
But.

878
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,000
In my mind, Threadcast are more like sections on the website.

879
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,080
We have the technology section.

880
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,320
You have the sports section.

881
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,720
You have, you know, kind of like sections in your newspaper, you know,

882
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,160
food section, different types of sections that then you can extend that to like

883
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,200
this idea of community where you could have and it'll have require some technical

884
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,200
upgrades to the UI. And I don't know how this would be framed out.

885
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:57,800
But my vision or my my soul imagery is where somehow the UI has it where,

886
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,960
you know, game ABC could have their

887
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,880
own kind of like, quote unquote, discord as a broadcast where they can put it in there.

888
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,480
Then you tie in the the the pin threads where that's where their terms

889
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,360
of service or that's where whatever goes and then that could be constantly rotated

890
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,480
and involved out and kind of be kind of use that as an epicenter.

891
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:23,880
Yeah.

892
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Just real quick, two questions in here.

893
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,200
Someone asked why I'm not going to be attending high fast,

894
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,640
actually, because it just managed to land with the same time.

895
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,480
I have two of my team members flying in and we're actually I'm not even going to be

896
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,960
working my detail shops and taking three weeks and we're actually going to a small

897
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,680
cabin here in the mountains in Colorado and we're actually going to just sit and

898
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:47,840
build games and plan out things. So just the timing was really bad this year.

899
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,480
The other thing is big fan says Splinterlands is better.

900
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,920
Rocket gaming system on Hive.

901
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,440
They should revisit the proposal and plan.

902
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,560
Yeah, they should revisit the proposal and plan.

903
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,320
I would argue they're not the better

904
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,520
arc of gaming on Hive because they're actually a Hive-Engine game.

905
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,960
Yeah, they're which is fine as just.

906
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Yeah, let's relook at it.

907
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,240
Nifty just asked, whatever happened to Cyber X?

908
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,800
Anyone know?

909
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,360
No, I have no idea.

910
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,880
Maybe Gabe from Crypto Shots can talk to you because when Cyber X came out and said

911
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,600
they're going to be the first FPS game on Hive, Crypto Shots was actually already

912
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,800
out and you could play it and he got really offended by that.

913
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,840
That's not one of those plump and dump games, as far as I'm concerned, with a

914
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,240
Hive-Engine token.

915
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,840
Yeah.

916
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,760
Oh, let's see.

917
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,440
Just going through, see if there's something here.

918
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,520
Khal said disagreement is common theme.

919
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,400
People care for each other. Love you, too.

920
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,280
I don't know if that was corrected at me or you.

921
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,000
Probably you know,

922
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,400
probably not me.

923
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,960
So I'll go back to Khal's point on on on

924
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,600
what he's talking about here within Leo, LeoAI and Leo Chat.

925
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,800
This is something I think is crucial for

926
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,480
everybody who's involved to Leo to understand.

927
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:14,040
You have SimpleGame, who is looking at building his his initiatives,

928
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:19,320
his applications, his games, his front ends, his websites, all that's tied

929
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:25,440
to what he's working on and basically what he is saying here, what Khal is saying here

930
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,360
is instead of SimpleGame building

931
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:34,640
all this information and building a back end to pull this information so he could

932
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,920
have his leaderboard on his website or so he could have this information or that

933
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:44,120
information or the most played or the most whatever, he simply will have that

934
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:49,760
information transfer and posted through InLeo and let the InLeo infrastructure

935
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,800
pull what he needs to build on his website or his UI.

936
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,600
So that way, think of the the

937
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:58,800
integration.

938
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,480
The integration that we're talking about is LeoAI is then essentially a central

939
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:12,320
component to the data flow that SimpleGame is constructing on his site and using

940
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,400
every day for a leaderboard or for whatever match ups or however he he wants

941
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:23,160
to dissect and post this data on his his UI.

942
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,240
Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

943
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,920
Winanda, Elon kicked her

944
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,720
out of space is that he does that he's meaning

945
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,720
Nifty said this is what the town hall is all about.

946
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,000
We all should use our business.

947
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,480
Yep.

948
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,520
Some task you are a few full you are a full plate.

949
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,880
So I'm surprised if one disagrees with you.

950
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,960
Well, I'm a little out there at times.

951
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,800
You read that about that.

952
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,800
Well, thinking about the money that falls a lot of projects out there, forgetting the fact that every success

953
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,960
is about giving value and rendering service.

954
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,080
This is the host, Sarah Hoshi.

955
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,360
Without a doubt that that what you said there giving value.

956
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,520
I use the term value because in crypto in Web three, everything's price, price, price.

957
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:13,560
What's the market going?

958
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,920
SimpleGame talked about the the splinter Twitter crew.

959
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,800
Oh, just get let's get something to pump our bags.

960
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,640
Value.

961
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:27,160
I've been saying that for a number of years about Leo building the value digital platforms.

962
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,720
What a digital platform.

963
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:34,800
Do they grab any incremental instant value and spread it across the entire platform?

964
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,240
Not price. Price is separate value.

965
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,120
So we have to keep providing value.

966
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:48,120
And again, if SimpleGame creates, you know, 10 or 12 or 15 games directly or

967
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,320
who's he's involved with and brings them over to Darkcloaks and talks to these

968
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:58,680
different gaming entities and says, oh, by the way, all your data quantification

969
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:03,600
in terms of your gaming and what, you know, the games and your leaderboards and all that.

970
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,080
You don't even have to worry about that.

971
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:12,240
Just posted here, set up a simple chat bot, a ChatGPT query and just pull it all

972
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,480
and have it integrated right into your UI, into your game.

973
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,640
And it's like, holy crap, what does that do for Leo?

974
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,040
You know, now you're up, you know.

975
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,560
Yeah, exactly, we need to be the back end infrastructure.

976
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,840
And I think we have the potential to do it,

977
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,040
at least onboarding a bunch of the indie games and stuff.

978
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,320
Someone just asked if Crypto Shots was play to earn.

979
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,960
It's kind of interesting.

980
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,240
They're not play to earn in the model that we've been talking about,

981
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:45,040
the layer two tokens and the deck for Splinterlands and all that stuff.

982
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,440
But they are play to play to earn in the way that I grew up in the arcades

983
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,040
and stuff is like with tournaments.

984
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,480
So they do daily tournaments and you can earn a Hive.

985
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,480
We reward you in upvotes for playing games right now.

986
01:08:58,480 --> 01:08:59,920
And you're part of the community.

987
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,960
But we may do some tournaments at some point,

988
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,120
but it will always be in the native token.

989
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,200
So I just want to say that, yeah, definitely check out Crypto Shots.

990
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,680
If you like FPS games,

991
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,800
yeah, definitely check it out.

992
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,480
What's FPS for those of us who don't know?

993
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:16,640
First person shooter.

994
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,120
So it's like Call of Duty, Fortnite, Halo,

995
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,920
stuff like that.

996
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,240
Sarah Hoshi, everyone is just obsessed with the launch of LeoAI.

997
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:28,320
I can't wait to read,

998
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,480
read reviews about it. I can't wait to use it.

999
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,400
Khal said, and this kind of goes into, well, he mentioned that human readable text is

1000
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,840
key for LeoAI this back simple game sentiment about focusing on readable text

1001
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:46,960
in the era of LLMs, it becomes that much more valuable to be human readable.

1002
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,680
Listen, people, what he just said there, what have I been saying for over a year?

1003
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,120
I've been for years actually on Hive, but on Leo.

1004
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,080
Get more on Leo.

1005
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,240
Get more posted.

1006
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:02,640
LeoAI is always watching.

1007
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,440
I know it's not live for us users, but it's always watching.

1008
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,600
In fact, Khal said within a few seconds, every new thread is updated within a few,

1009
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,800
whatever, every new blog post updated and feeds through the system.

1010
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,720
The more text we have and I sent out

1011
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,240
a thread and I'm not going to say it because I don't know where he stands,

1012
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:23,880
but I'll be excited for what App Mightpossibly is doing.

1013
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,520
He's putting together something that could really, really help the data.

1014
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,680
Human readable.

1015
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,960
This is what we're talking about.

1016
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:36,680
So, you know, get more on chain and having that readable text only feeds LeoAI.

1017
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,680
And as we're here, you're forget me saying it.

1018
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,320
Simple game is Tony has a use case for LeoAI.

1019
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,480
That's above and beyond just a simple

1020
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,160
prompt search of, you know, who won the war of eight.

1021
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,640
Well, he's talking about making this

1022
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:56,720
infrastructure into the system that he's incorporated and then bring this to all

1023
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,200
those entities, those companies that he's interacting with and trying to bring to

1024
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,320
to dark folks.

1025
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,160
Did you want to comment on that or no?

1026
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,200
No, no. You summed it up good.

1027
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,480
OK, we're at Nifty's.

1028
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,800
I just hope the collaboration between 3Speak and InLeo people post can be

1029
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,040
supported by them, maybe Khal can answer that.

1030
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,120
I don't know what how that works.

1031
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,680
I.

1032
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Just know that he's

1033
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,960
the Leo is going to be using the 3Speak technology for the videos.

1034
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,360
I don't know how any of that other stuff works.

1035
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,760
Crypto spider games taking over Ragnarok

1036
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,320
development is the most exciting news, possibly next to the news that you have.

1037
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,400
My possibly

1038
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,480
and yes, I do have a little inside info and Mightpossibly is working on

1039
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,320
Threadcast is revolutionized InLeo interface.

1040
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:50,920
Just look at how busy it is.

1041
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,480
Gets any time in there for cash.

1042
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,080
Yeah, Vic Van, it is

1043
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,360
a fish anyway.

1044
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,840
I've made several hundred thousand dollars in swear lines.

1045
01:11:59,040 --> 01:11:59,560
I keep dumping it.

1046
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,640
Hopefully I'll make a few thousand people.

1047
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,920
It's fish ever the pragmatist.

1048
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,680
No, I'm all for it, man.

1049
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,880
You made some bags, make some more, you know, get it while you can.

1050
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,520
Just, you know, fill it up and buy buy some Leo fish.

1051
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,240
Can I have a few more Darkcloaks?

1052
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:22,120
NFTs? No, he's got plenty.

1053
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,760
Khal said definitely not test.

1054
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:24,960
That's not surprising.

1055
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,240
Brando, did Mutera also died?

1056
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,920
I don't know if that one ever got going.

1057
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,600
I had heard about it briefly.

1058
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,000
I don't know. You hear anything about Mutera?

1059
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,440
No, I haven't.

1060
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,880
That's one of that side of the chain that every time I talk,

1061
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,120
they kind of ignore me and I'm like, oh, whatever.

1062
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,960
There's some there's some clicks on this chain still that

1063
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,400
they'll go away. Yeah.

1064
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,760
Fredell. Fredell.

1065
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,640
I read about past talking about chatbots and wondering what's the difference

1066
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:03,120
between it and LeoAI. LeoAI is a.

1067
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,880
It takes a chatbot, which I believe is ChatGPT,

1068
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:15,360
and what it does is you get the large language model that open AI ChatGPT put

1069
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,680
and anything they do to the large language model in terms of training it.

1070
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,680
That gets updated within LeoAI. LeoAI.

1071
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:29,200
Also takes Hive data and LeoAI is trained on the Hive data,

1072
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,560
which is not necessarily part of the large language model.

1073
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,840
So exactly what Splinter Games is talk is talk.

1074
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:43,000
Simple Games is talking about when he takes if he takes his data and post it

1075
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:49,360
on chain and then uses LeoAI to pull that data from chain and he incorporates it

1076
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,600
in into his UI that he's using LeoAI.

1077
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,200
If he tried to do it with ChatGPT,

1078
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,080
there's a good chance ChatGPT doesn't have that data in that.

1079
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,720
Yep.

1080
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,760
Nifty just put he grabbed himself a crypto shot starter pack.

1081
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,600
Now that it's joining Darkcloaks, he wants to play crypto shots.

1082
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:11,920
He's in. Great.

1083
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,760
The only thing from my standpoint is like if you had waited another day or two,

1084
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,520
those crypto shot starter pack NFTs are going to be the first thing available

1085
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,600
on Darkcloaks so you could have bought them directly on our website.

1086
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:24,880
But it's still a couple of days out.

1087
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,080
But glad you bought one and you're going to join.

1088
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,040
They do daily tournaments.

1089
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,760
They also

1090
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,240
if you stream them because I know Nifty is going to get into streaming,

1091
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:38,240
they've got a little extra reward system for the for streamers.

1092
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:44,080
So we have a nice little Leo ecosystem form in here, people.

1093
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:50,800
Khal in simple terms, LeoAI is a full spectrum LLM that is also and he highlighted

1094
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,200
also trained on all high blockchain.

1095
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:54,920
Text data.

1096
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,680
There's that word text again.

1097
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:01,320
So keep filling it and Mightpossibly one of the things that he does is he takes

1098
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,200
these spaces, the AMA, he takes change out or he takes this any spaces that are

1099
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,680
done, you know, by by, you know, basically by Leo here.

1100
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:16,320
He takes them the town hall and creates a summary that is posted.

1101
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:17,360
It's a tech summary.

1102
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:23,600
Again, that feeds in one of the things that we've always talked about with LeoAI.

1103
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,760
Is being able to go to a Threadcast and enter into LeoAI,

1104
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,560
basically getting a summary of the Threadcast of what what's going on.

1105
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,480
So so basically, if you join all eight, you would be able to take this Threadcast,

1106
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:43,720
get a summary of what was talked about, at least in the Threadcast and get up to speed.

1107
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,200
Think of the ability to do that.

1108
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:53,440
Let's say Lucille's news, where we all post different news stories, then you could go

1109
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:58,880
and use LeoAI, give me a summary of this and it'll give you a summary of the news

1110
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,640
of the day, all of a sudden now you just have a summary of the news of the day.

1111
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,480
These are some things that LeoAI is going to provide.

1112
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,320
Value should be equal to and with that

1113
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,080
LPL has to give them projects should be equal to value by supporting them.

1114
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,200
I support any form of positive progress on the high blockchain.

1115
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:23,440
Well, I mean, it is a positive or negative is is what everybody has to determine.

1116
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:28,640
When game builders start floating coins, start floating coins for a game that is

1117
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,840
not yet built, it makes you wonder if they are just taking step two before step one.

1118
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,640
I don't know a lot of games that succeed through that framework.

1119
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:40,360
That's from I'm not even going to say that name, but they're yeah.

1120
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,120
Yeah, that's that layer two token model

1121
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,400
that went on for the last four or five years that we're talking about.

1122
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,120
I disagree with.

1123
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:51,280
That's why I was even hesitant to launch the the Quest NFTs on Darkcloaks right

1124
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:53,120
now, because I didn't want to be

1125
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,560
deceived along those lines.

1126
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,080
And that's why we quickly came out with a game that used them just to show that we

1127
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:04,040
do have a legitimate use case and the potential for future games,

1128
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,560
because that will be the only ones that as Crystal Spider games will ever mint

1129
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:14,680
all of our future games, the items will drop in the game and they get minted to the to there.

1130
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,840
So once those sell out, like, that's it.

1131
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,120
Those will never exist ever again.

1132
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,440
I was just really hesitant to do it that way.

1133
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:23,440
Yeah. Yeah.

1134
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,880
Games that do that scare me.

1135
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,920
Sarah, I wonder why Khal is up on stage as the speaker on today's show.

1136
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,640
I guess you meant why he isn't would love to hear his thought on the lion's den.

1137
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,360
Well, I can tell you, Khal is often listening

1138
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,640
to this in the Threadcast and doing other things at the same time.

1139
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:48,760
So usually without scheduling things ahead, he has a few different things going.

1140
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,400
But just for you, I will ask publicly if he wants to

1141
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,680
come on next week to the lion's den and we can talk about whatever he wants to

1142
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,960
talk about, he can share his thoughts on this.

1143
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:06,560
We can talk about other things, but he's probably doing other things right now,

1144
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,000
like talking to developers and whatnot and hopefully trying to get them damn videos

1145
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,320
to work. But anyway, I digress.

1146
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,040
So we'll try to get him on next week for you.

1147
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,560
If not, tune in to the AMA.

1148
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:18,640
He's there every week.

1149
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,880
He's also on Chain Chatter.

1150
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,640
Fish.

1151
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,160
So Crypto Shots doesn't take into consideration my dark quotes NFTs.

1152
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,440
I have some, but the game seems to ignore them.

1153
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,280
I should even have some kind of a fire gun.

1154
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,080
Well, I was just using that as an example.

1155
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,120
Gabe, we just signed the deal.

1156
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,320
He just got whitelisted.

1157
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,800
He's actually working on integrating it right now.

1158
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,560
We haven't talked about which items he's

1159
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,920
going to use in his games, but it's on his agenda.

1160
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,520
So, yeah, eventually it's just this is all like this.

1161
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:51,640
This is all being told.

1162
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,680
Today, this is like the big announcement today was Crypto Shots and Ragnarok.

1163
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,280
They haven't even posted about it yet.

1164
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,040
That's why you come to the line.

1165
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:02,840
That's why you come to the line, Stan.

1166
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,800
You get all the four one one.

1167
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,720
Uh, the

1168
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,640
Sarah Hoshi, the only project I've seen given value is Leo.

1169
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,240
They give and render services.

1170
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:18,360
You read that

1171
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,400
Al Rourke, nice collab between three speaking.

1172
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:25,040
And Leo. Yeah, I mean, it's we'll see how it exactly looks.

1173
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:30,520
We've we've seen some testing and they are taking 3Speak posts,

1174
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:36,560
which I guess were loaded up through the InLeo

1175
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,960
long form interface and they end up on 3Speak.

1176
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,120
They are Leo posts.

1177
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,920
Uh, Nifty answered you simple game, you said I'll have to get more than so.

1178
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,400
He'll he'll he'll he'll buy from.

1179
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,240
From your platform, too.

1180
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,560
He's nice like that.

1181
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,880
OK, let's this may be a little broader concept.

1182
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,720
Sarah Hoshi asked, what is this I hear about hamster combat?

1183
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,280
Is it really play to earn and one can benefit from it?

1184
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:08,680
What's hamster combat?

1185
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,280
Have you looked into what's the big to do about that?

1186
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:17,800
The big to do about that is these to me are just the next evolution of

1187
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,240
Ponzi play to earn pump and dump.

1188
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,440
The big to do about that is these to me are just the next evolution of

1189
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,360
block chain games.

1190
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,840
They've just moved to Telegram.

1191
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,360
They've just moved.

1192
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,240
They just when they fail in one place, they'll just move to something quicker.

1193
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:37,240
The main reason they do that is it's it's like moving into discord from your own

1194
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,400
website is just quicker and easier to develop a telegram based game.

1195
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,320
So the developmental cycles are quicker.

1196
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,920
And there's a big push for like mini games like you'll see.

1197
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,240
Like YouTube's got games on it now.

1198
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,240
Facebook's going to have games that you can play inside of Messenger.

1199
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,160
They're all little mini games.

1200
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,720
So they're kind of jumping on that bandwagon, just trying to get a quick flip

1201
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,320
pump and dump.

1202
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,200
We're trying to build

1203
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:04,720
a ecosystem, a game world that has legs that will be around for for decades to come.

1204
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,280
So we're just not involved in those those things.

1205
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:11,080
But yeah, I mean, if you can make bags on them real quick, like like fish did,

1206
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,600
by all means, they're just high risk.

1207
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,800
Yeah, they just won't be around in a year or two.

1208
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,560
I don't know if you can answer this.

1209
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,240
El Jax asked, will the crypto shot starter packs?

1210
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:25,200
Will we purchase for Hive like two years ago still be usable?

1211
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,720
I do know the answer to this.

1212
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,680
Yeah, they absolutely will be.

1213
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,120
Everything you've currently have will still work.

1214
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,320
Everything if you bought on a wax will work.

1215
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,960
They're working on reaching out to some other chains.

1216
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,080
Just with our agreement, nothing new will be minted on Hive Engine.

1217
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:48,320
All new mints of skins, items and stuff like that, not only for crypto shots,

1218
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,520
but for all their other games that they're coming out with,

1219
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,160
will be directly on Darkcloaks.

1220
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,080
So all your existing stuff will still work.

1221
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,840
Just nothing new will be minted on Hive Engine.

1222
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,880
Yeah. So, yeah, you won't see any impact at all.

1223
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,280
It's just giving you

1224
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:04,680
another place to access it.

1225
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,520
And the advantage of having on the Dark Cloak system is

1226
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,600
so like one of the things you can do is like sell it off on Hive Engine to another

1227
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:16,080
player and buy it on Darkcloaks is if one of our games decides to use it,

1228
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,760
we won't see it if you own it on Hive Engine, but we will see it if you own it

1229
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:20,520
on Darkcloaks.

1230
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,640
But if you're only playing crypto shots,

1231
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,560
yeah, there's no difference where you own it.

1232
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,000
OK, Wynonda, it's good to see more people online.

1233
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,720
Sten's show today.

1234
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,200
I can assure you they didn't turn out for me, Wynonda.

1235
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,600
What is Crypto Shot Game all about, though?

1236
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,760
I don't think we can look it up.

1237
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,360
Yeah, I'll put the URL in.

1238
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,840
Phish said, hamster combat seems like

1239
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:50,520
something people want.

1240
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:55,880
Fish comes up with some good ones.

1241
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,840
Hamster combat is the same old song and dash, trash, pump and dumb.

1242
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,080
It's not even a game.

1243
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,040
And then game should be played just for

1244
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:12,200
playing sake, but earning too cause world is getting hard day by day.

1245
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:17,480
Well, this is this is the problem we've had with Web3 is everybody's focused on

1246
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,320
the gameonomics, the tokenomics and not

1247
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:26,760
actually creating games that people want to play and enjoy.

1248
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,240
And, you know, it's and I know on Leo

1249
01:23:32,440 --> 01:23:36,640
Khal talks a lot about the tokenomics and there's nothing wrong with that.

1250
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,640
But the big deal is I think people need

1251
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,640
to realize the difference with Web3 and Web2 is not tokenomics.

1252
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,960
The difference between Web3 and Web2 right now is Web2 has stuff people want to use.

1253
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,720
Now, to be fair,

1254
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:54,040
they have had a big head start in development.

1255
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:59,560
And so YouTube really has had a lot of years to work on their algorithms,

1256
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:05,160
to work on their site, to work on what works, to find out what doesn't work.

1257
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:10,440
But ultimately, you have to have something that people want to use.

1258
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,000
And it's like when we talk about video on Leo.

1259
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:19,720
And since that was announced, what was the first thing that I said? I said, you need

1260
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:25,120
A, a recommend engine and B, you need it to be able to search.

1261
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,440
Because without those, you're screwed.

1262
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:32,880
And we've seen a lot of Web3 type applications, not only in video.

1263
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,840
And we know with hot search is awful.

1264
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:41,560
You can't find anything, which, of course, we are told LeoAI will help enormously with that.

1265
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,840
But the key to me, the most exciting thing about the AMA the other day,

1266
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,640
Khal said, yeah, he's designing.

1267
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,280
This based upon YouTube.

1268
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,280
And why is that? Because people are accustomed to YouTube.

1269
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,160
They're accustomed to the layout of YouTube.

1270
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,160
They're accustomed to the features of YouTube.

1271
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,640
Now, I'm not saying that Leo

1272
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,800
video or whatever it's called, but Leo video is going to have the same

1273
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,440
thing in terms of features as YouTube, especially to start.

1274
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,000
No, that's unrealistic.

1275
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,280
But at least the same base layout, at least the same recommend,

1276
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:19,680
at least the same way of if I watch a video, then I get recommended six

1277
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,480
or seven other videos. That's how you get attention.

1278
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:28,600
That's how you keep that's how everybody who's put content on this

1279
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:34,320
UI is going to start getting more recognition because I see it.

1280
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,160
If you go to a blog post and you scroll

1281
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,440
down to the bottom of the blog post, you see right by the comments,

1282
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:44,040
a thread that is recommended a lot of times I see my own damn threads

1283
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,440
recommend because I write about the topic that I also threaded about.

1284
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:49,640
That's going to keep.

1285
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:50,160
Happening.

1286
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,960
So the more you put up here, whether it's thread,

1287
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,680
whether it's in the future, LeoShorts, whether it's in the future,

1288
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:03,960
long video, it all feeds in.

1289
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,200
So I think we caught up with that thing.

1290
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,840
Yeah, I was just going through to see if there's anything else I missed.

1291
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,480
Yeah, yeah.

1292
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:19,680
Yeah.

1293
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:20,320
Yeah.

1294
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:26,080
So, yeah, I mean, but yeah, my take on it is don't vote for this proposal.

1295
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:26,760
Let them leave.

1296
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,600
I don't think they're necessary for the chain, even though Khal disagrees with me.

1297
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,680
I think InLeo's the future of the chain.

1298
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,880
I think three speaks the future of the chain.

1299
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,840
I think VSC is the future of the chain.

1300
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,520
I'm hoping Darkcloaks gets considered up on that same level.

1301
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,560
I mean, I see it that way,

1302
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,960
but other people need to come around to the fact that human readable text on chain

1303
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:49,680
is what digital ownership is.

1304
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,800
It is for gaming.

1305
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,760
Big announcements are Crypto Shots has joined Darkcloaks,

1306
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:00,120
taking over the development for Ragnarok, the game,

1307
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,680
the gameplay aspect of it only.

1308
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,560
Those are big things.

1309
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,000
Oh, and a lot of people ask me if I have a witness.

1310
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,560
I don't run a witness because I'm so busy and that doesn't mean I don't think

1311
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:15,240
they're important. So part of our deal of Crypto Shots is

1312
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:18,200
Crypto Shots is basically our witness.

1313
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,520
I mean, I don't own or nothing,

1314
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,000
I'm involved with decision making and upvoting.

1315
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:23,200
It's pretty low.

1316
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:29,120
Ninety percent of the rewards that the witness makes anything basically over

1317
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:36,560
the server costs is going back to the daily Crypto Shots tournament payouts.

1318
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,600
So we're not doing it to

1319
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,320
make anything, we're doing it to secure the chain.

1320
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,560
So if anyone has any spare witness votes

1321
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,800
to get that a little bit higher, it just helps everybody out.

1322
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:49,680
Yep.

1323
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,600
And we do run the town hall.

1324
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:59,080
This is myself, Nifty and Eric, a nomad soul on chain.

1325
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,080
So the same thing there.

1326
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:07,680
The big point here is there's and I think people need to understand this.

1327
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,480
Infrastructure is so important and I don't know how many times I've argued

1328
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,760
with people about, well, we've been hearing about the 3Speak for years

1329
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,800
and SPK Network and they don't even update their their.

1330
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:19,760
Their application.

1331
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,960
And it's like the application does not have to do with the SPK Network.

1332
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,680
SPK Network is going after basically distributed cloud.

1333
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:28,880
That's what they're built in.

1334
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,960
They're trying to take on, for lack of better word, AWS.

1335
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,960
They're going after the AWS market, you know, not to that degree.

1336
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,960
But that's exactly that's essentially what they're going after.

1337
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:39,600
VSC.

1338
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,000
Why is it taking so long? Because it takes so long.

1339
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,840
I mean, Vaultec is about as sharp as they come in, in my opinion.

1340
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:47,880
And he's working his ass off,

1341
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:52,160
but it takes a while to develop this same thing with Leo and LeoAI.

1342
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,600
But see, the thing is, is once you get some of this infrastructure in place,

1343
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:01,160
one of the key takes away from this call, I think people need to understand is

1344
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:06,840
Leo InLeo is tapping into 3Speak for video.

1345
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,240
So all the work that went into 3Speak,

1346
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,720
all the work that went into the SPK Network is now starting to come to fruition.

1347
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,800
LeoAI, all the work that Leo has put into that simple game

1348
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,760
is looking at incorporating that in.

1349
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:26,000
Khal mentioned some of his backup plans on Tuesday's AMA and part of that backup

1350
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:33,560
plan, I think I sense was if there is an issue, VSC is going to come into play.

1351
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,800
VSC may be coming into play in many other

1352
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,960
ways anyway because of what they're developing.

1353
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:44,680
So it's very important to realize for those of us who are not technical people,

1354
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,000
to those who are technical, it's like no big deal.

1355
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:48,320
Building this stuff out.

1356
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,200
But as simple game just mentioned with a game like Ragnarok, you know, Dan,

1357
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,680
from what I could see and I'm not a gamer, but from the

1358
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,680
option that he got, it was a very good vision.

1359
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:05,320
But obviously there was some difficulty bringing that vision for the game

1360
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,840
and getting it to develop to the point that he needed to develop that.

1361
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:15,520
Well, now he's come to to simple game and simple game is and his his crew is going

1362
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:16,920
to help to bring the.

1363
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,120
Development to the table so that game sees the light of day.

1364
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:25,240
These are the things that a lot of us who aren't developers, who aren't technical,

1365
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:29,320
we tend to overlook and it's easy to sit there and bitch and say, well,

1366
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:30,800
this doesn't work, that doesn't work.

1367
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,440
How come this isn't here? That isn't here.

1368
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,520
You know, well, if this stuff was easy, anybody would be doing it.

1369
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:42,320
And the problem is a lot of this stuff is being done without the infrastructure.

1370
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,920
So the infrastructure has to be built first.

1371
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,120
Then you can

1372
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,400
get to the application level.

1373
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:55,200
Absolutely, yeah, it's everything takes longer than you think it does

1374
01:30:55,400 --> 01:31:00,320
and finding good talent, there's been a lot of bad actors in the space and it's

1375
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,640
getting cleaned up now and that the talent is getting solidified

1376
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:05,840
and things are improving.

1377
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:10,040
So so it's good even just for a regular game studio making a regular Web two game.

1378
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,600
It's just hard getting good, good quality people.

1379
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,080
Took me a long time to get the current

1380
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,600
team I've got there. They're great.

1381
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,480
Yeah. And just to to follow up on that,

1382
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,360
it takes time to get quality people to find quality people.

1383
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:33,720
And that's when you look around the chain and as SimpleGame and Cali showed,

1384
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,760
you can disagree, you don't have to disagree on everything.

1385
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,000
I see 3Speak in the room.

1386
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:46,120
Matt will tell you him and I have have had disagreements over stuff and and we've had our conversations offline.

1387
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,880
And we've disagreed on some things.

1388
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:54,840
But I got tremendous respect for for Matt and many of the people involved with with

1389
01:31:55,040 --> 01:32:00,720
SPK Network, 3Speak by extension BSC.

1390
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:05,640
When you find quality people, though, even though they may not agree,

1391
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:11,000
they're not looking at extracting, they're looking going back to that idea of value,

1392
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:15,440
looking to add value, and it's like you don't have to look too far to find Cali.

1393
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,160
You don't have to look too far to find me.

1394
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,320
SimpleGame Vaultec.

1395
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,600
I mean, how you want to talk to Vaultec on threads?

1396
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,640
Just just tackle Vaultec replies.

1397
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:30,600
I mean, if you want to show up, just take him with a question.

1398
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,040
He'll reply.

1399
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,600
He has no problem doing that because he's around.

1400
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:41,720
And that's where the the baseline for a lot of this stuff grows from.

1401
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,440
And when you have enough people doing their own thing and then

1402
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,960
he's starting to look and say, how can we use this?

1403
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:52,440
And they start to integrate some of what other people build into what they're doing.

1404
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,160
That's how you get explosiveness.

1405
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,240
And this is what I've always tried to drive home to the people on Leo.

1406
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:00,920
Start building and you may not be a technical person.

1407
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:02,040
I'm not a technical person.

1408
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:07,720
I can't I can't code anything, but build your brand, build what you're doing,

1409
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,800
bring forth some ideas and you know what, maybe they get integrated.

1410
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,440
And if you know nothing else, start a Threadcast on something.

1411
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,480
You like and just keep building that every day.

1412
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,040
And over time, something else will appear.

1413
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,720
And, you know, we have it with the photography.

1414
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,000
So Sergio Mendez started that.

1415
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,200
Now we got the foodie Threadcast.

1416
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,960
Now we have Bradley Arrow with his selfie Threadcast.

1417
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:33,560
Guess what?

1418
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,200
The picture is a whole bunch of places now,

1419
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:41,200
and that's just kind of how on a on a small level it starts.

1420
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,920
So, you know.

1421
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:44,960
Get involved.

1422
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:50,760
Keep going and do not let do not look at where things are now

1423
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,600
because there's a lot of work being done.

1424
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,360
You can look at Darkhawk, say, well, it's missing, it's missing that.

1425
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:56,800
OK, fine. Who cares?

1426
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,280
Where's it going to be in three months?

1427
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:59,520
Where's it going to be in six months?

1428
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,600
Where it's going to be in nine months?

1429
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,960
And I can tell you and I've never seen it,

1430
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:08,360
but I guarantee a simple game has a roadmap that he's following that it may

1431
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:12,320
not be exact in terms of the timing, but in three, six, nine months,

1432
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,480
he'll be a lot further down the road than he is today.

1433
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:16,000
That's how it goes.

1434
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,800
Yeah, yeah, that's that's how it goes.

1435
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,960
Yeah, that's why I really appreciate everyone that's bought an empty and dark

1436
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,040
folks for the support and helps us test things.

1437
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,440
Yeah, it's just amazing.

1438
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:34,040
I just want to close it with I think Splinterlands is a joke,

1439
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,280
not as a game, but as a company, I think they've failed.

1440
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,960
I think they're begging for money to just

1441
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,080
stay alive till they can find a better offer.

1442
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:43,960
I don't think they should be supported.

1443
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:45,240
I disagree with Khal.

1444
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:48,240
I don't think they're valuable to the chain.

1445
01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:51,960
I actually think they're not valuable to the chain for one of these reasons.

1446
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:53,480
Some of the people in Splinterlands have

1447
01:34:53,480 --> 01:34:57,200
tried to teach other people about the chain a few years ago when we didn't have

1448
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,680
as good of onboarding and it actually had a negative effect of people saying, oh,

1449
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,240
well, Hive's a joke. And so we're having to overcome that

1450
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:08,200
because the systems weren't ready at that time.

1451
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:09,720
So maybe they're just too early.

1452
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,920
But for whatever reasons, I think they blew through a bunch of money.

1453
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:13,920
I think they paid their friends.

1454
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:15,680
A bunch of money.

1455
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,920
Yeah, and without without the books being

1456
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:24,400
wide open and then showing that they have the talent and the ability

1457
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:29,480
to turn the company around, I just don't think we should support them.

1458
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,360
Well, there you have it, we take all opinions, and as I said next

1459
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,840
week, we will do our best to get Khal on here.

1460
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,280
He has a differing view and I don't know if it's

1461
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:49,080
going to be a good idea or not because he is a good guy, but there's a chance this

1462
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:54,280
topic may come up on the town hall at the beginning of next month.

1463
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:56,920
So we might be discussing it there.

1464
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,040
So discussion about this stuff is very

1465
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:04,160
good and bringing people with different points of view.

1466
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,760
We got simple games point of view on this subject this week.

1467
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:12,120
Next week, we'll get Khal's point of view and hopefully we'll have maybe somebody

1468
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:13,120
from Splinterlands on the town hall with me,

1469
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:19,640
maybe other people can ask questions and come on and let's get as much information

1470
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:24,960
out there so, you know, for or against so everybody can then decide if they want

1471
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,760
to support the proposal or if they do not.

1472
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:29,840
Yeah, exactly.

1473
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,200
Everyone should get aside from everyone.

1474
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,920
Splinterlands themselves should do a talk and get their side.

1475
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,400
And then to be honest, in six months, we'll know if they're still around.

1476
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:42,480
Well, I think and I might be mistaken, I think they're doing something on Sunday

1477
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:43,800
if I'm not mistaken.

1478
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,320
So maybe check out the Splinterlands accounts or go to their discord.

1479
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:53,080
They may be putting together something on Sunday to to discuss it.

1480
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,120
And if they are, well, definitely,

1481
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,680
certainly tune in and and promote that if they are pleased.

1482
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,240
Let's get this stuff out.

1483
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:01,360
That's what threads is for.

1484
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,120
If you know there's something on Splinterlands at two p.m.

1485
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:10,480
on Sunday posted on threads, you know, post the link if you can get it or whatever.

1486
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:12,840
Let's let's make people aware of this stuff.

1487
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:14,680
And it's not only with Splinterlands.

1488
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,040
I mean, let's not pick on them.

1489
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,200
Anything that's going on when people have

1490
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:23,000
proposals or communities have proposals or they want to do something.

1491
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:24,840
Let's spread the word.

1492
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,040
Use threat as a tool to get it around and

1493
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,680
let other people know what's going on so we can discuss these things.

1494
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:37,600
Yeah, and and and just one last thing, I think everyone just needs to pay more

1495
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:41,160
attention to the witnesses and proposals, people that are on here with their proxy

1496
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:42,520
voting like.

1497
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,960
Like I said, I brought up the real wolf

1498
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,200
after that proposal and he's got a chain on another project.

1499
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:49,240
I don't think he should be a witness.

1500
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:50,920
And then Khal brought up the fact that he

1501
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,880
knows personally there's a lot more of the top 20 that aren't active on this chain.

1502
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,720
So, yeah, I definitely think that's time to change up the top 20.

1503
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:01,800
I mean, there's amazing people in there.

1504
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,920
Block trades is great. Three speak is great.

1505
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,520
There's a.

1506
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:12,680
Gandalf, it's a Gandalf have one GT, I think I think Gandalf has.

1507
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:14,080
He does.

1508
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,280
Yeah, there's a few core developers on there.

1509
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:19,760
How how well is not even back in there since he switched his old one?

1510
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,600
That's a shame. He needs to be up there.

1511
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,440
So I would say there's like ten core

1512
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:28,240
developers that do core development that we never see on the actual chain code that

1513
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,840
should be in there, but then the other ten ten should be

1514
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:35,520
representing the projects on chain InLeo 3Speak stuff like that, because it

1515
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:40,960
really should be a mix of of the two. But yeah.

1516
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:42,160
But that's the topic.

1517
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:42,800
And.

1518
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:48,160
And that shows 3Speak shows how the process is.

1519
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:52,840
I mean, Dan and Starkerz have been, you know, well known on this chain for a long

1520
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:57,200
time, and I think it's only been in maybe the last year, maybe 18 months that they

1521
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:02,720
got into consensus, they were they were like twenty five or twenty eight for a long

1522
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:08,360
time, too. So I mean, it does take a while and some some things do drop off.

1523
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:12,400
But it's important that we look at where our boats are going

1524
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:17,040
to monitor our witness votes to make sure those are active.

1525
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:24,240
And again, it's just look around, find out what what what what what are people doing?

1526
01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:29,640
I mean, and we'll use three speaks and say their name just keeps coming up.

1527
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,920
You know, I don't spend a lot

1528
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:37,400
time on Twitter, but 3Speak is they're talking about hype all the time,

1529
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,720
the talking about hype and 3Speak, you know,

1530
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,320
it's different than SPK Network, but it's very close.

1531
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,240
They are building infrastructure.

1532
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:50,720
You know, VSC is building infrastructure.

1533
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:56,400
VSC is also talking about their project and Hive on Twitter all the time.

1534
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,000
They also show up on threads.

1535
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,840
And as I said, you want to find Vaultec.

1536
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,400
It's not hard to find him.

1537
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,880
I mean, he he he shows up and he'll answer any of your questions.

1538
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:09,680
You write a post about VSC, he'll get in there and answer questions.

1539
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:11,680
Starkerz will get in and answer if you write

1540
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,360
a post about speak or or more importantly, SPK Network.

1541
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,360
Starkerz will get in there and answer

1542
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:23,480
questions or comments or, you know, clarify confusions in your own damn post.

1543
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,880
It's not even his post. He'll get in there and answer.

1544
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,920
So these are the people who are around.

1545
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,560
You don't have to look too hard to find them.

1546
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,320
And I agree with simple core developers.

1547
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:35,720
You're not going to see them.

1548
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,120
They're writing. They're not writing English.

1549
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,320
You know, they're coding all day.

1550
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:43,320
And they're crucial.

1551
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,080
And if you you want to find out who they are, go on the developer call.

1552
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,280
How will puts that out once a month?

1553
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:52,200
They usually have it once a month, but sometimes they skip month.

1554
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:58,760
But you you just simply look at the the YouTube recording and, you know,

1555
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,520
you see the names there and there's Gandalf, there's how there's Blocktrades.

1556
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,800
There's there's arcane is in there a lot of time working.

1557
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,680
Yeah, he's good, even though he's not a core developer.

1558
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,680
Um, and there's a few

1559
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:16,360
others who are in there, so it's time for us.

1560
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,160
And it should have been time years ago.

1561
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,600
But again, maybe it's we need this refresher.

1562
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,040
Pay attention to what's going on.

1563
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,200
If you have Hive in your wallet,

1564
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:31,440
you have a vested interest financial benefit in the success of Hive.

1565
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:33,680
If you have

1566
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,080
Leo in your wallet.

1567
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:41,680
Same thing there, if you have speak in your wallet when it comes to 3Speak,

1568
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:45,640
and the SPK Network will have a vested interest there.

1569
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,520
Pay attention, voice your opinion, find out who the players are in each

1570
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:54,960
of the projects or each of the applications or the base layer that you're dealing with.

1571
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:59,840
If you're buying NFTs, follow a simple game, find out what the hell he's doing.

1572
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:01,240
And if you have a problem with what he's

1573
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:07,480
doing or a confusion, tag him in threads, he'll show up and he'll answer you.

1574
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,080
Communication.

1575
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:12,000
BTG.

1576
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:13,600
Yes.

1577
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,400
Grand off the grave.

1578
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:17,600
Yeah, that's right. That's right.

1579
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:18,920
Yeah.

1580
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,320
So, all right.

1581
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,200
You're right, Adam.

1582
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:24,880
I'll work. You're right.

1583
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,800
At 3Speak team is mad busy building.

1584
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:29,760
Yeah, they've been doing that for a while.

1585
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:34,600
And you but you but you take on a project like they take on that.

1586
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:36,240
That's a huge one.

1587
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:38,000
So

1588
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,920
if you have high and or

1589
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,080
low in your wallet, you've got skin in the game.

1590
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:43,680
Yeah, we all know that.

1591
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:48,240
So it's time, as I say, start acting like you own something.

1592
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:50,720
Start acting like you have a vested interest.

1593
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:55,160
And, you know, quite knows who.

1594
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,640
Who, who, who are involved in these

1595
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,720
projects or involved in these applications, question them.

1596
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,600
I mean, you can ask Khal any question and he'll respond.

1597
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:09,960
I mean, if he sees it, but you see it, you ask him stuff, even if he doesn't like what

1598
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:11,320
you say, he'll answer it.

1599
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,600
I mean, you know, you saw it today.

1600
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,720
SimpleGame and Khal don't see eye to eye on this one.

1601
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:20,400
So they, you know, be able to both express their views.

1602
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,000
Same thing with free speak.

1603
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,440
You got a question. What's going on with with SPK Network?

1604
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,440
Starkerz will answer you.

1605
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,120
Starkerz will answer you on Twitter.

1606
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,520
I mean, he'll answer. Same with Vault-Tec.

1607
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:39,120
I mean, these are the people that give confidence when you sit there and say,

1608
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:42,600
well, when Nifty asks, where are these people?

1609
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,040
If you're asking, where are these people?

1610
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:48,000
That's probably problem number one,

1611
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,800
because if you're if you're asking, you're not seeing where the hell are they?

1612
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,720
And again, the core developers, they're a different breed.

1613
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,080
But, you know.

1614
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:02,640
People who are supposed to be the faces of projects.

1615
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:07,520
Any final thoughts, SimpleGame?

1616
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:09,040
No, I think that's it.

1617
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:15,440
Yeah, I think I ran it off and people know my my view on it or they can go back

1618
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,480
and listen to the beginning.

1619
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,400
I know a lot of people there's going to be clicks on the chain.

1620
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:23,520
I go, oh, he's just arrogant and annoying again.

1621
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:27,560
But yeah, sorry, it's just

1622
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:31,040
don't don't don't don't threaten me or you're going to get me riled up.

1623
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:32,880
So, yeah.

1624
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:38,800
Yeah. And again, I want to emphasize if you get any information, not only about

1625
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:44,440
freelance, but any projects and let's start communicating, get the word out.

1626
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:45,880
What are people doing?

1627
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,600
If they put out a blog post and you see a blog post.

1628
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,120
Reblog it, drop it into threads.

1629
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,560
I know you can't drop it at the top level, so drop it in the comment.

1630
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,680
Get it out there, rethread it, you know, drop it.

1631
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,880
It shows up in your profile, then rethread it.

1632
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:06,800
Let's get the let's use these tools to communicate so we can get conversations

1633
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,040
going about this stuff, you know.

1634
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:10,680
We have a vested interest.

1635
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:15,400
This isn't like Web2 where, you know, OK, maybe you owned a couple of shares

1636
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:19,440
of Meta stock, but Zuckerberg doesn't really care what you think.

1637
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:22,400
You know, Elon really doesn't care what you think.

1638
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,120
The Google boys don't really care what you think.

1639
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:30,560
So let's start acting like we have a vested interest in this stuff.

1640
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:38,720
And with that, we will catch you around and we have the AMA on Tuesday and next week,

1641
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:45,760
as I said, we will try to get Khal on here and let him express his views on this topic.

1642
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,160
So.

1643
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:48,640
Hope everybody has a great day.